51   Lamps / Modern / Re: Why are cool white LED bulbs 4000K instead of 4100K?  on: January 02, 2026, 06:26:52 AM 
Started by Lightingeye60 - Last post by James
Very good question!

Actually this goes back to the history of fluorescent lamp standardisation.  Many decades ago it was desired by many manufacturers to have FL lamps in discrete colour temperature steps eg 2700, 3000, 3500, 4000, 4500, 6500K.  Each manufacturer had their own unique phosphor composition to arrive at those values, which meant that the spectrum of one manufacturer’s lamp could be quite different than another even though their CCT’s were identical.  As such, their chromaticity appearances and colour rendering indices could also differ.  This was especially troublesome in large installations when replacing failed lamps of one brand by another : the differences were visually undesirable.

The lampmakers then began to standardise on the same phosphor recipes for each lamp colour, and the situation was greatly improved.  Later still, it was discovered that actually it was not efficient to target numerically precise colour temperatures.  For instance, by shifting from 4000K to 4100K it was possible to achieve a considerable cost saving in the raw phosphors, along with higher luminous efficacy, often a better colour rendering, and sometimes also better life.  There were large-scale collaborative efforts among the world’s principal lampmakers, co-ordinated via the standardising committees of the IEC and ANSI, to work out a set of optimal chromaticity points for FL lamps that would allow manufacturers to make better and lower cost lamps with improved interchangeability between brands.  These target chromaticities are specified in the relevant international standards and while they are not compulsory, it is highly recommended that manufacturers adhere to these.

When LEDs began to become popular for general lighting, both the ANSI and IEC performance standards encouraged nanufacturers to follow the same chromaticities and CCT’s as had been long established for fluorescent lamps.  This position was strongly supported by the traditional lampmakers and fixture manufacturers, so as to make the transition from traditional to LED lighting as seamless as possible.  However, the LED emitter manufacturers did not agree, for the very good reason that just like the performance and cost of FL lamps can be improved by targetting certain colour points, exactly the same is true for the available LED phosphors.  As such, led by the USA LED manufacturers which were formerly the leaders of that industry, ANSI standardised a different set of colour points.  Those have in the mean time been adopted almost worldwide.  The IEC LED performance standard continues to state that it is desirable to make LED products with same chromaticities as the old standardised F-series colour points, which is a bit silly because I think nobody actually does that any more.  Indeed, LED phosphors are also now developing at such terrific rate that even the ANSI LED colour points of the early 2000s are no longer always being followed.
 52   General / Off-Topic / Re: Strange noise of the new cordless vacuum cleaner of my hostel  on: January 02, 2026, 05:45:46 AM 
Started by dor123 - Last post by RRK
Actually, rotating brush may be a source of low frequency noise in Dor's case.

 
 53   Lamps / Modern / Re: Why are cool white LED bulbs 4000K instead of 4100K?  on: January 02, 2026, 05:08:11 AM 
Started by Lightingeye60 - Last post by Laurens
It varies per market, EU market cool white is almost always 4000k.

Just market preferences and customs, i think.
 54   Lamps / Modern / Why are cool white LED bulbs 4000K instead of 4100K?  on: January 02, 2026, 04:09:33 AM 
Started by Lightingeye60 - Last post by Lightingeye60
What I’ve noticed, is that many newer cool white LEDs are 4000K instead of the 4100K of fluorescents. These colors are not significantly different but why are the LEDs 4000K instead of 4100K for most?

Also, why are cool white fluorescents 4100K and not 4000K? That’s another one to point out
 55   General / Off-Topic / Re: Strange noise of the new cordless vacuum cleaner of my hostel  on: January 02, 2026, 03:47:00 AM 
Started by dor123 - Last post by Laurens
Actually, some displacement pump like rotary vane may be in use! Why? Turbines struggle to get really good vacuum and do this with poor efficiency, especially small ones. Look at a regular vacuum cleaner motor-turbine. Rather complicated mechanics here, including multiple turbine wheels in series. And it eats up to 2kW to get the job done satisfactory, modern 'green' models suck literally))
The modern 900w models of good brands designed in EU are actually really quite good. My parents had a 2kW AEG and a 900w AEG, they perform equally well, except the 900w one is much quieter. Sometimes you can find actual suction power specified in watts. A 2kW aluminium wound (for cheapness! Sacrificing efficiency) vacuum cleaner motor can perform worse than a 900w copper wound motor.
Brands like Nilfisk, extensively used in professional cleaning, kept using their 900-1000w motor units for years into the era during which consumer vacuum cleaners reached 1500-2000w.

For energy consumption it's not a big deal imho, vacuum cleaning takes maybe 15-30 minutes per week? So in that regard i don't care about the regulations. But what was a very nice side effect, is that vacuum cleaners have gotten a LOT quieter. Though there are rules about that too, limiting noise to 80dB or so.

What works like crap are things like a bagless 600w Philips (Oh philips, how far you've fallen) designed and made in China. That thing performed on par with a 500w Holland Electro from 1960... I've had 2 bagless ones, both were crap.

I don't think they use a rotary vane, just a smaller but higher RPM centrifugal pump/turbine. Multistage vacuum cleaner motors aren't something special, aforementioned Holland Electro already had 2 and 3 stage fans in the 1960s. I haven't disassembled a modern, well performing vacuum cleaner motor yet.

If it truly sounds like a piston pump, there's only one explanation: it is broken, or in the process of breaking. I've had a Hoover Junior from the 1940s of which the rear bearing bushing was worn, and it made quite a nasty roaring racket. Usually those old hoover motors run pretty smoothly. 
 56   Lamps / Modern / Re: Automotive Xenon Metal Halide Lamp Specs/Compatibility?  on: January 02, 2026, 03:26:58 AM 
Started by Multisubject - Last post by RRK
May be ignitor-integrated D1 lamp or D2 combined with an ignitor socket will have a chance. Don't know exact ignitor schematic though, so no idea if it really needs a DC phase of lamp voltage present with automotive ballast at start to generate ignition pulsed successfully.

 57   Advertisements / Wanted / Re: 35 watt Hps Wallpack  on: January 02, 2026, 02:21:29 AM 
Started by stillaintjeff24 - Last post by stillaintjeff24
What brand is it?
 58   Advertisements / Wanted / Re: 35 watt Hps Wallpack  on: January 02, 2026, 02:20:54 AM 
Started by stillaintjeff24 - Last post by RyanF40T12
I have a well used 70W HPS similar to this.  yellowing of the lens cover. 
 59   General / Off-Topic / Re: Happy new year!  on: January 01, 2026, 10:20:11 PM 
Started by Baked bagel 11 - Last post by CooperOVZ
Happy new year to all! :D
 60   Lamps / Modern / Re: Automotive Xenon Metal Halide Lamp Specs/Compatibility?  on: January 01, 2026, 07:03:30 PM 
Started by Multisubject - Last post by Medved
Given the arc voltage tolerance and so the range of the corresponding actual arc current variation any arguing whether the "correct current" is 0.45 vs 0.5A is rather moot, it is just arguing what "nominal current" label should be placed for the whole range the things operate.

More important is the exact power tolerance, mainly including factors like mains voltage sensitivity of the magnetic ballast, plus the current crest factor.

And also do not forget the auto MH do not anticipate anything but square wave LFAC feed, the mains zero crossing reignition characteristics is just a completely unpredictable huge unknown, could be OK for one lamp and a complete disaster for other even when both are the same formal specs.

And obviously the mentioned ignition/startup problems.
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