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What causes the lamp on the lag side of an F96T12 IS ballast to flicker rapidly? « on: August 16, 2025, 09:13:37 PM » Author: Maxim
Whenever I start the F96T12 IS Slimlines in my basement, one of the fixtures almost makes a "whirring" sound on startup, which is accompanied by a near-strobe effect in the lag-side lamp. This subsides after around 1-2 minutes of use, but the ballast still has an audible hum, albeit a more mellowed tone. Are there any possible explanations for this? The lamps I am running are F96T12/CW Supreme, made in Poland.

I have another fixture that does not flicker at all on startup but it contains my Cool Green lamps from Westinghouse. That ballast is generally quieter also, if there's any correlation...
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Re: What causes the lamp on the lag side of an F96T12 IS ballast to flicker rapidly? « Reply #1 on: August 17, 2025, 01:44:14 AM » Author: RRK
The lamp is probably rectifying. Try to to replace it with other knowingly good one.



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Re: What causes the lamp on the lag side of an F96T12 IS ballast to flicker rapidly? « Reply #2 on: August 18, 2025, 09:58:12 AM » Author: Maxim
@RRK - OK, thank you. I will try that.
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Re: What causes the lamp on the lag side of an F96T12 IS ballast to flicker rapidly? « Reply #3 on: August 18, 2025, 11:09:06 AM » Author: dor123
Is the lamp have blackening at one end? How the flickering looks like?
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Re: What causes the lamp on the lag side of an F96T12 IS ballast to flicker rapidly? « Reply #4 on: August 18, 2025, 12:13:45 PM » Author: Maxim
@dor123 - No blackening, no flickering after warmup.
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Re: What causes the lamp on the lag side of an F96T12 IS ballast to flicker rapidly? « Reply #5 on: August 18, 2025, 01:03:44 PM » Author: fluorescent lover 40
My uncle has a 2017 US-made Philips C50 Supreme that does this in one his slimline strips in his garage. It has always done that when powered up after staying off for a while since day one of installation back in 2017-2018. Still works just fine, stops flickering after a minute or so, and has no blackening.

Not sure what it is.
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Re: What causes the lamp on the lag side of an F96T12 IS ballast to flicker rapidly? « Reply #6 on: August 18, 2025, 01:27:52 PM » Author: Maxim
@fluorescent lover 40 - yep, it's exactly that phenomenon.
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Re: What causes the lamp on the lag side of an F96T12 IS ballast to flicker rapidly? « Reply #7 on: August 18, 2025, 03:40:08 PM » Author: RRK
My uncle has a 2017 US-made Philips C50 Supreme that does this in one his slimline strips in his garage. It has always done that when powered up after staying off for a while since day one of installation back in 2017-2018. Still works just fine, stops flickering after a minute or so, and has no blackening.

Not sure what it is.


It is hard to tell without actually seeing what is going on, but I expect some asymmetry. Slimlines are instant start, so may be cathode spot initially forms on a poorly-emitting part of the filament causing some rectification, but lately migrates to a better part, so the tube works normally. When this happens, you may see some flickering and movements at one of the tube ends.

In the extreme case, one end can completely fail to go thermoionic so the tube mostly conducts one way until this ends filament finally heats up by electron bombardment and current passing and finally starts to emit electrons.

Interestingly, this can not happen on the leading branch, as capacitor blocks DC completely, and if the tube is rectifying, significant DC offset voltage  will form within a few line periods and the tube will either extinguish, or the lazy end will be forced to ignite properly, too!
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Re: What causes the lamp on the lag side of an F96T12 IS ballast to flicker rapidly? « Reply #8 on: September 13, 2025, 02:06:24 AM » Author: hotrestrike
I'm curious about this as well. I've noticed it only with the 2-lamp series sequence magnetic ballasts running 8 foot, 75w lamps. My fixture does the same unless the temperature is over 77 degrees. The colder it is, the longer the strobing/pulsing, usually of just one lamp. The hum of the ballast also pulses. Sometimes, indeed, the brand of ballast or lamp makes a difference and some fixtures don't do this. At very low temperatures, the lamps will striate at first and then the pulsing begins once the lamp temperature comes up somewhat, but then never stops as the lamps never get hot enough.

I have not seen this phenomenon on single lamp 8' fixtures, nor on the older fixtures with lead-lag ballasts (the giant cold-weather ballasts that run lamps in parallel). With 60w energy saver lamps, the lamps tend to striate & flicker rather than pulse.

The only other type of fixture that I've seen that does this kind of pulsing are those cheap LOA-type shoplights that use a choke + capacitor +electronic starter type ballast, and this effect happens at lower temperatures but isn't quite as persistent or common.

I don't know the cause of this but it seems like some kind of instability or oscillation of the ballast when the mercury pressure in the tube is low, and thus the lamp is not operating at its ideal current. I suppose similar to what causes striations on some ballast/lamp combinations or shimmering at lower temperatures on T12 lamps with magnetic ballasts.

I had not thought about the possibility of rectification due to a poorly emitting part of a lamp cathode, which kinda makes sense on instant start since the cathodes aren't heated, but I'm not sure if this is really what's happening.
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