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| Since many light bulbs, ballasts, and fixtures made outside of China are good quality products due to manufacturers having quality assurance and quality control teams, I often see information about Chinese made light bulbs, ballasts, and fixtures often failing shortly after they are first being put into service. I wonder if quality assurance and quality control teams for manufacturing are illegal in China?
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Desire to collect various light bulbs (especially HID), control gear, and fixtures from around the world.
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| I wouldn't say illegal but I think they just don't care.
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| I may be wrong, but my feeling has always been that the Chinese will make precisely what they are asked to make. You want cheap crap, they'll make you cheap crap. You want top quality goods, they're perfectly able to make that too, but it will cost you. As the saying goes, you get what you pay for. And the other saying to remember is, let the buyer beware.
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I may be wrong, but my feeling has always been that the Chinese will make precisely what they are asked to make. You want cheap crap, they'll make you cheap crap. You want top quality goods, they're perfectly able to make that too, but it will cost you. As the saying goes, you get what you pay for. And the other saying to remember is, let the buyer beware.
No, that’s absolutely spot on!, the real reason a lot of garbage comes from China is us dumb westerners want it! Anything cheap and nasty and we’re salivating at it!, and places like eBay and alibaba are more than happy to pedal it! This is one of the reasons LED has a bad name, there are good manufacturers of both LED and HID lamps in China, but I remember James once saying, “ the good stuff made in China tends to stay in China “ |
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| Yeah exactly, everything is built to a price point in that regard. You can have quality range from the non branded Amazon/Aliexpress/eBay stuff to Apple devices. The unfortunate thing is that to most, low price is the first consideration so longevity and build quality suffers.
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| @joseph_125 - Indeed. Our Dell laptops are made in China, and they're excellent quality. Strangely enough, the Dell desktop I recently bought from eBay was made in Poland..!
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| Look at China made satco stuff and damar stuff lately these
Been comming out of china, I never really have any problems
With them. And they came from major lamp supply house too. These cost bit more than crap u buy in stores.
Let look at all electronic ballasted CFLs last time i bought
A CFL it still going in my old bed room at my moms house
A rare 6500K daylight one. Now back in those 2000 era of
CFL u had good ones and bad ones. U have a GE China made CFL last a long time, and then u run across a cheap low quailty Trisonic CFL with halophosphor in them. It lasted about
A week like bad quailty leds. The saying goe This what u pay for and that what u get. So u buy crap then u get crap results.
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No LED gadgets, spins too slowly. Gotta love preheat and MV. let the lights keep my meter spinning.
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| I won't repeat what's been said already but I'll add this:
It's also our approach with quality that's got issues. Cheap stuff gets expensive over time, quite ironically. What was previously maintenance work is now often an accelerated cycle of batch-replacement, not exactly the best way to lower the costs of workmanship. I always thought the idea would make its way in the western world where labour isn't cheap, but nope...
The naive part of myself always hopes things will change eventually...
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| Everything said so far about Chinese made things is pretty accurate.
What really surprises me though, the insatiable consumerism of our society, and how no one even blinks an eye anymore to the mountains of stuff that they discard.
I remember going to older people's homes in the early 80's, they'd have a 30 year old radio. Of course, it worked fine. More importantly, the tech back then didn't become obsolete so quickly.
Nowadays, if you get a quality, Chinese or foreign made device that lasts a long time, you'd be lucky to be able to use it for more than 5-10 years, even if it is still working it becomes obsoleted and no longer functional in many cases. Which then begs the question, why bother with quality?
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[...]More importantly, the tech back then didn't become obsolete so quickly.[...]
And also fixable. The amount of glue and welds that go into manufacture these days make it all the most difficult (Apple, I'm looking a you in particular...). |
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And also fixable. The amount of glue and welds that go into manufacture these days make it all the most difficult (Apple, I'm looking a you in particular...).
It was so expensive back then, a basic radio could cost the equivalent of several hundred dollars. So, if it needed tubes or an alignment, you'd call in a mobile repair person, and they'd either repair it in your home, or you'd take it to their local repair shop. You'd be keeping stuff out of the waste stream, and employing local people. |
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| To be honest, the lack of (easy) repairability on newer devices, be it phones, laptops, or even lighting is an annoyance to me. When possible I still like to extend the life of my devices by repairing them myself but the lack of parts to the end user and the glue is a major barrier to repairing stuff as an end user. A particularly annoying example is some of the Microsoft Surface products where almost everything is glued in...even more so than Apple I believe.
One thing I like about my vintage audio electronics is that they're fairly easy to open up and service and generally service manuals with a full set of schematics are readily available online.
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And also fixable. The amount of glue and welds that go into manufacture these days make it all the most difficult (Apple, I'm looking a you in particular...).
If you want to see real rants on Apple (lack of) repairability, check out Louis Rossmann on Youtube. |
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