Moonlight towers « on: November 27, 2023, 02:37:13 PM » Author: GE PM
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	Re: Moonlight towers « Reply #1 on: November 27, 2023, 02:51:08 PM » Author: Rommie
Interesting. But they're not "historic artifacts" any more, not with LED in them. "Historic" doesn't mean LED; carbon arc isn't practical any more, I get that, but they could at least have kept them MV
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	Re: Moonlight towers « Reply #2 on: November 27, 2023, 06:23:41 PM » Author: WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA
Eventually, due to widespread bans and discontinuations of traditional non-LED light sources, it will eventually become impractical to use anything other than LED for general lighting since there will come a point where traditional non-LED light sources become too “rare” and “historically significant” to use every day like you see with carbon arc lamps because their numbers will eventually be far too small to be able to maintain an adequate supply of lamps that can be replaced.
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	Re: Moonlight towers « Reply #3 on: November 27, 2023, 06:25:43 PM » Author: HIDLad001
LED is just another lighting technology. People probably felt the same when it was converted to MV. It does look really good in 3000K though, much better than the harsh cold light that the MV lamps (and previous carbon arc lamps produced).
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	Re: Moonlight towers « Reply #4 on: November 27, 2023, 06:32:58 PM » Author: Mandolin Girl
L*D may well be 'just another lighting technology', but we feel that it's the Japanese knotweed of lighting and is slowly choking everything else to death.  That is the reason we dislike them so much, slowly but surely we are being deprived of other choices in lighting.
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	Re: Moonlight towers « Reply #5 on: November 27, 2023, 06:34:16 PM » Author: HIDLad001
Once again, the same could be said about "S*X" when it replaced mercury streetlights in the 1960s and 1970s.
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	Re: Moonlight towers « Reply #6 on: November 27, 2023, 06:38:35 PM » Author: WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA
Eventually, sellers on eBay will want extremely high prices for anything that is NOT LED due to the increasing rarity of NON-LED sources like someone may want somewhere around $500 for just a single mercury vapor lamp, a high pressure sodium lamp, or a single metal halide lamp because of how rare they will eventually become in the near future and it will also seem like our ‘wanted’ section will be filled with requests to find any NON-LED sources such as “Wanted: fluorescent tubes”, “Wanted: high pressure sodium lamps”, “Wanted: mercury vapor lamps”, etc.
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	Re: Moonlight towers « Reply #7 on: November 27, 2023, 07:10:58 PM » Author: LightsoftheWest
Quote from: HIDLad001 on November 27, 2023, 06:25:43 PM LED is just another lighting technology. People probably felt the same when it was converted to MV. It does look really good in 3000K though, much better than the harsh cold light that the MV lamps (and previous carbon arc lamps produced). I agree 100%.
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	Re: Moonlight towers « Reply #8 on: November 27, 2023, 10:44:41 PM » Author: wide-lite 1000
@ Mandolin Girl : EEEEK ! Japanese Knotweed !!! I have a small jungle of it in my side yard !! NOTHING kills it !! I actually poured some Muriatic acid on some near my driveway and it went all brown and shriveled  . 2 weeks later , it was back like nothing ever happened !!!
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	Re: Moonlight towers « Reply #9 on: November 28, 2023, 07:57:55 AM » Author: AngryHorse
Interesting idea, but unusual choice of lamp colour?, for true moonlight effect as carbon arc would have been, daylight white LED would surly be a closer effect to the original ones? Although I can understand from an environmental point of view why they didn’t used them?, but its what I would have specified for that true moonlight effect?
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	Re: Moonlight towers « Reply #10 on: November 28, 2023, 08:12:40 AM » Author: AngryHorse
Quote from: HIDLad001 on November 27, 2023, 06:25:43 PM LED is just another lighting technology. People probably felt the same when it was converted to MV. It does look really good in 3000K though, much better than the harsh cold light that the MV lamps (and previous carbon arc lamps produced). I get what you’re saying here, but I wouldn’t call LED ‘just another lighting technology’?, I see it as more as THE lighting technology that has superseded everything else! Although this will be an unpopular opinion, the fact is it’s a massive step forward, (in efficiency, simplicity and brightness), than its HID counterparts? To be fair, it’s only lighting enthusiasts that miss the old lighting tech, but from a scientific point of view of artificial light, older lighting techs are just not needed anymore!
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	Re: Moonlight towers « Reply #11 on: November 28, 2023, 09:00:02 AM » Author: Rommie
I know I go on about it, but the objections we have here are simply due to a lack of choice. When LED lamps first became available, we used them, but when they introduced all the bans and said effectively "You WILL use LED" whether we wanted to or not, that was the tipping point. Domestically, we're still able to use other lamps, as we already had enough in stock, but we didn't have a choice when it came to street lighting, they just unceremoniously ripped out entire streets of perfectly working HPS/MH and replaced them wholesale with pathetic fixtures which don't light up the area nearly as well. A step forward in brightness..? Not around here, it isn't..! There is a step outside our block that was very well illuminated by the 70W HPS post top that used to be there. It got replaced by an LED so useless that it only illuminates a small patch at the base of the column, the step is now in complete darkness at night; imagine coming home after a night out and tripping up the step, or going out and falling down it, possibly resulting in quite a nasty injury. Sorry if I'm boring anybody.
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	Re: Moonlight towers « Reply #12 on: November 28, 2023, 09:08:19 AM » Author: Mandolin Girl
Quote from: wide-lite 1000 on November 27, 2023, 10:44:41 PM @ Mandolin Girl : EEEEK ! Japanese Knotweed !!! I have a small jungle of it in my side yard !! NOTHING kills it !! I actually poured some Muriatic acid on some near my driveway and it went all brown and shriveled  . 2 weeks later , it was back like nothing ever happened !!!  You might want to try some of this on it.!!!
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	Re: Moonlight towers « Reply #13 on: November 28, 2023, 09:51:02 AM » Author: HIDLad001
LED replacements have also enabled me to acquire HID and fluorescent fixtures I could  only dream about getting. You won’t believe the good trash finds I have gotten recently! I want to try and design my own SOX LED replacements that actually produce satisfactory light and actually saves energy (no ballast losses) The light would have low glare, monochromatic (narrowband) amber/yellow or red light, and sensibly driven LEDs and adequate heatsinking (and maybe using the red LEDs to recreate a SOX warmup??) Imagine that, a lighting collector designing an LED lighting system…
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	Re: Moonlight towers « Reply #14 on: November 28, 2023, 10:39:37 AM » Author: AngryHorse
Quote from: Rommie on November 28, 2023, 09:00:02 AM I know I go on about it, but the objections we have here are simply due to a lack of choice. When LED lamps first became available, we used them, but when they introduced all the bans and said effectively "You WILL use LED" whether we wanted to or not, that was the tipping point. Domestically, we're still able to use other lamps, as we already had enough in stock, but we didn't have a choice when it came to street lighting, they just unceremoniously ripped out entire streets of perfectly working HPS/MH and replaced them wholesale with pathetic fixtures which don't light up the area nearly as well. A step forward in brightness..? Not around here, it isn't..! There is a step outside our block that was very well illuminated by the 70W HPS post top that used to be there. It got replaced by an LED so useless that it only illuminates a small patch at the base of the column, the step is now in complete darkness at night; imagine coming home after a night out and tripping up the step, or going out and falling down it, possibly resulting in quite a nasty injury. Sorry if I'm boring anybody. Not at all boring  , but this lack of choice is coming from a lighting enthusiast!, Mr and Mrs Joe Public don’t give this a second thought when they turn the lights on at night. Also I’m sure the term ‘lamp bans’ only came from LG!, I think the lighting industry an EU was calling them phase outs? I’m still using electronic CFL everywhere in the house, but I’m not unhappy their not made anymore as their efficiency was improved with LED so CFL is no longer needed? but if I still have them then I’m going to use them from an enthusiasts point of view. Today, and it’s still taken 10 years or so, LED can do everything older tech could, i.e, be successfully dimmed, provide different CCTs for different moods, power large spaces outside cheaper and more instantly than discharge did, and light the streets as good as older techs did, ( providing decent fittings have been used of course )! Older tech is disappearing fast not because of tyrannical bans, but simply because none of it is needed anymore in the general population?
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