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How long will a fluoro with one Blown Cathode survive? « on: July 16, 2025, 01:13:42 PM » Author: tigerelectronics
I was doing some silly experiments today with fluorescent tubes, I was playing around with mercury migration on DC using some high hour tubes. Long story short, I had fun and learned a few things, but accidentally fed about 100 watts through a 36W tube, which means that one of the cathodes didn’t enjoy it and blew up quite spectacularly. So I did an old school trick, using some very thin wire and shorted the two pins on the end that blew. This allows the fluorescent fixtures to heat the still working cathode heater, and to my great amazement, the tube strikes and lights up normally with a fresh starter. It’s been running for a few hours now and is not showing any signs of problems.

The tubes I experimented with are 4 old and well used General Electric PolyLux XLr’s, the much newer ones with reduced mercury that don’t like cold weather too much.  The 3 others survived my experiments, but probably have very reduced lifespan now. And well, the 4th with a blown kathode also technically survived since it still works, but I’d say that it’s on life support right now heh. All tubes got fairly dark ends, but I learned a few things so I don’t feel sad about it. These tubes were already well used and I’ve got so incredibly many new ones, those ones I am not touching! These were worn!

I also experimented with a new osram tube, which survived without damage, a very new and sadly very low quality one that had a rattling cathode inside. It got very dark ends but survived just fine. I have a few more of those tubes without cathode issues, which of course I’m not going to do stupid experiments with!

Here is a picture of the tube with blown kathode, it works, and you can very much see a large fragment of the kathode heater laying in the bottom of the tube there!

I’m going to run these tubes for a while, and I’ll keep you all updated on  how they fare. Especially the blown one.
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Re: How long will a fluoro with one Blown Cathode survive? « Reply #1 on: July 16, 2025, 03:39:59 PM » Author: RRK
It may survive up to originally intended lifetime, assuming most of oxide coating is left intact. Broken electrode of course will always cold start, so it will die prematurely if the tube is on short on-off cycles.

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Re: How long will a fluoro with one Blown Cathode survive? « Reply #2 on: July 17, 2025, 10:05:54 AM » Author: tigerelectronics
Interesting! I have noticed that it is difficult for it to strike with traditional starters when I’m starting it from cold, so I tried an Aura Quickstrike electronic starter which seems to start it reliably every time. I suspect my relatively short runtimes (2-3 hours per evening) will probably shorten its life significantly, but I also suspect it might get mercury migration and get dimmer towards the broken end. That happened to another tube that had one broken cathode that I used for a while, but later gave away. The person I gave it away to apparently used it for a few months and then it started behaving in that way which I thought was very interesting! I suppose time will tell! :) I’m going to move them to some other light fixtures, as I prefer to run some colour 35 T12 bulbs in my main lights :))))))) I have some extra light fixtures mounted on the walll for additional lighting, I will install these into those instead :) and then I’ll keep you all updated how long it lasts, I am very curious myself too! I’ll certainly be happy if it lasts more than a few months :)
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Re: How long will a fluoro with one Blown Cathode survive? « Reply #3 on: July 17, 2025, 10:12:22 AM » Author: tigerelectronics
I suspect that the cathode must have at least some of its emissive coating intact since it lights up relatively easily despite just having one heater. I think the heating coil probably was what exploded, and not the actual cathode structure itself. I suspect that most of the emission normally happens from the thorium coated heating coil , so we’ll see how long it lasts :)
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Re: How long will a fluoro with one Blown Cathode survive? « Reply #4 on: July 17, 2025, 10:51:46 AM » Author: Medved
but I also suspect it might get mercury migration and get dimmer towards the broken end.

Not if the emission layer is still there, once it starts there is no difference whether the filament is broken or not in your circuit.
The difference is only for starting: You can not preheat the broken one. But once it starts, the discharge itself will warm up the cathode spot, the same way as it keeps the cathode spot warm during normal operation of a normal good filament.
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