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Old GE shop light on E bay « on: March 01, 2014, 01:51:56 AM » Author: Larry
Here is a oldie but goodie to look at I found on e pay. :D
But it is missing the cover for the ballast and kicked around some. :P
I don't think it is a GE.
I think if it was sand blasted and then gloss white powder coated it would look like new.
But you would still have to find the cover for the ballast.
Looks like the sockets are held in with a hose clamp. :D
But there is also a attachment screw in the normal position. ???
The price is way up there for the condition it is in.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-General-Electric-Porcelain-Flourescent-Shop-Light-5-x-11-75-/161063977124?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25802940a4

Update: 6/4/14 I bought this fixture. It was rough as shown in the pictures and missing the ballast cover, but I found out that this fixture is older then than I thought it was as it is one of the early Fleuroray fixtures that were not the same as the later double paracyl type.
The reflector has just a small curve to it and is constructed of a heavy gauge steel with a white porcelain finish.
It also has a channel bend in the edges of the reflector instead of the flattened edges of the later designs.

The bulb holders are held in place with screws as usual, but there was also screw clamps that kept the bulb holders in place as the bulb holder slots in the reflector for the bulb holders are too big for the holders.
The bulb holders will lean back out of position without the screw clamps and allow the bulb to fall out. :o
The later Fleurorays did not have this problem as the slots are smaller with closer tolerances so the holders were more secure.
 
The ballast cover from a later Mitchell Fleuroray will not fit the reflector.
I hope to find a cover for it and have the reflector blasted clean and powder coated gloss white as the original porcelain is beyond saving. ;)


 


I bought this one below as the price was right and it looked good.

Update: 3/5/14 I received it today and the fixture looks good and had a nice 1960 Westinghouse rapid start ballast, but the bulb holders just fell apart to dust in shipping box.
So I have a NOS 1973 GE preheat ballast and found four new T12 bulb holders with the starter sockets on Amazon.
Have two new GE daylight 40 watt bulbs and two NOS 1955 S and p starters.
So it is going to be restored back to its 1940s factory stock condition. ;D
But it has no labels :( as they were all cleaned off before I got it.

Update 3/8/14:

When I removed the 1960 Westinghouse rapid start ballast I found that it was wired up as a trigger start ballast. This may account for why the fixture was sold on e bay as the bulbs may not have been working right. What it looks like is that the original 1940s preheat ballast was replaced with a trigger start ballast bypassing the starters, then about 1960 or so the trigger start ballast was replaced by a Westinghouse rapid start ballast, but wired to the old trigger start wiring. So the wiring was wrong.

So I gutted out everything, cleaned it up and will be putting a all new GE preheat ballast, new bulb holders with 1955 P and S starters and new real 40 watt GE kitchen and bath bulbs. Should work just like it did new in 1940. ;D

Update: 3 /27/14
Works just fine and looks real good.
It is my favorite fixture.
I put it over my bathroom sink with some antique hooks and chains.
Looks better than I thought it would.
Installed new GE kitchen and bath bulbs and they work perfect.
I feel lucky to have found a fixture in such good shape cosmetically even if the internals were no good.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/181333489232?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
  

Looks like some of these are still available, but converted to electronic ballasts. :o ???
Kind of like a classic 57 Chevy with a 2013 Toyota engine.
Even cleaned off the labels. :o
That would be like stripping all the chrome off your 57 Chevy. ::)
The pictures are before the ballast retro fit.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130508793801&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en

Advertising for the fixture 1940s.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1942-Fleur-O-Lier-Manufacturer-Fluorescent-Light-Vintage-Print-Ad-/230424886791

Here is something interesting.
These fixtures above were made by thirty manufactures under license from Fleur-o-lier and must be made to the standards set by them.
So they are all built the same no matter who the manufacturer was. :)



But here is a rare one.
A floating Dazer, but it looks like double 4 or 8 watt bulbs.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=281273070237&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en

Don't see many like this now days.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/c1920-Industrial-Steampunk-Fluorescent-Ceiling-Fixture-Lamp-w-Art-Nouveau-Ends-/390712303696?pt=Antiques_Decorative_Arts&hash=item5af844a050

Seems a little high for the condition to me as it is not all that fancy.
After looking at it, it has serious chipped ends.
I think it costs more because it is "steam punk" what ever that means. :D
Usually steam punk means drilled full of holes. :o
And it is sure not a 1920.
But it is a three tuber.

Update: it has sold for $113 plus $42 shipping.


WOW this is so neat ;D
Check it out.
But not $70 dollars neat. :D

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fluorescent-Shop-Light-Electrified-12V-Dollhouse-Miniatures-/141194641576?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20dfdb40a8

This is not fluorescent, but may be some one here would be interested.

(Sold)

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-2-Vintage-Westinghouse-Fluorescent-Showcase-Bulb-Lamps-in-Boxes-USA-Made-/131125640583?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e87b27d87

Here is some GE NOS 15 watt fluorescent bulbs from 1960.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SET-OF-11-1960s-Vintage-GENERAL-ELECTRIC-Fluorescent-Lamp-Bulbs-XLNT-Working-/161238251642?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item258a8c787a

Westinghouse black ender black light bulbs.
Claim NOS.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-rare-Vintage-Westinghouse-Fluorescent-BLACK-LIGHT-Bulbs-MINT-Condition-/161238251777?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item258a8c7901

One Sylvania fluorescent light bulb 40 watt for only $99.99 :D

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Sylvania-Thrift-Mate-Fluorescent-Lamp-F40-CW-RS-TM50-/191084221567?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c7d81d47f


Now here is some hard to find bulbs. ;D

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sylvania-F20T12-B-Blue-Fluorescent-Lamp-/171251725048?pt=US_Light_Bulbs&hash=item27df65f2f8

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sylvania-F15T12-Go-Gold-YELLOW-Fluorescent-Bulb-15-Watts-F15T12-GO-18-long-/111215346897?pt=US_Light_Bulbs&hash=item19e4f384d1

Not too many 4 foot T12 single pin reds out there.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/GE-Red-Fluorescent-4-foot-Bulb-High-Voltage-output-T12-Lot-of-2-/271420385688?pt=US_Light_Bulbs&hash=item3f31ea6998

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Guaranteed-long-life-Gold-yellow-Fluorescent-4-foot-Bulb-output-T12-Lot-of-2-40w-/281281570002?pt=US_Light_Bulbs&hash=item417db024d2

Some T12 14 watt CW NOS

http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-NEW-GE-Fluorescent-15-Kitchen-Bath-Cool-White-14-Blanco-Frio-14-/121288375103?pt=US_Light_Bulbs&hash=item1c3d59bb3f
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Re: Old GE shop light on E bay « Reply #1 on: March 02, 2014, 07:50:34 PM » Author: themaritimegirl
The Dazor lamp is cool - it appears to take 6 or 8 watt lamps. Probably originally came with GE Mazda Daylight lamps...! I love fixtures that take the small T5 lamps.  ;D
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Re: Old GE shop light on E bay « Reply #2 on: March 03, 2014, 12:01:04 AM » Author: Larry
The Dazor lamp is cool - it appears to take 6 or 8 watt lamps. Probably originally came with GE Mazda Daylight lamps...! I love fixtures that take the small T5 lamps.  ;D

I have seen newer ones that are smaller but not one of the older smaller Dazer floating arm fixtures.
May be the price will come down on it if it don't sell.

I really like those old Dazers.

I have a little 4 watt Lampi fluorescent fixture from the 1980s that is a favorite of mine. There is no ballast or starter, just a capacitor, two resistors and a transistor with the base wire cut off. But it works.
I made a clip, with reflector for it and used it for many years on the top of my laptop computer screen.

There is a $99.99 Sylvania fluorescent bulb for sale, but I think I will pass on that. :o

 
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Re: Old GE shop light on E bay « Reply #3 on: March 04, 2014, 12:30:04 AM » Author: themaritimegirl
Is that one of the Lampis with the program start setup? Really interesting fixtures, I gotta grab one someday. It appears they consist of a capacitive ballast similar to 1.5 watt fluorescent night lights, and the transistor and other components make up an electronic starter.
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Re: Old GE shop light on E bay « Reply #4 on: March 04, 2014, 12:52:40 AM » Author: Larry
Is that one of the Lampis with the program start setup? Really interesting fixtures, I gotta grab one someday. It appears they consist of a capacitive ballast similar to 1.5 watt fluorescent night lights, and the transistor and other components make up an electronic starter.

I don't know, but there is not much to it, just a little circuit board a wire wound resistor, a little resistor, one capacitor, and something that looks like a transistor with three leads, but the center lead is cut off. That's it.
I am not sure how it works, but it does.
It is from the 1980s and I have never seen another one like it.
The big resistor does get warm and when it is running there is a little buzz, but I don't know where it comes from as there is no ballast. It does not blink when it starts, it just starts up. I have been using it for many years. It is the perfect little fixture. I wished I had a few more of them. ;D

If I can get my camera hooked up I will try to post a picture of it running and starting.
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Re: Old GE shop light on E bay « Reply #5 on: March 04, 2014, 03:53:36 PM » Author: DieselNut
Larry, I e-mailed the seller of those lights about a year ago and he had plenty more that were not converted.  I told him I was interested in only ones that were all original and he seemed SHOCKED.  He said he would take off $20 from the price but "would not guarantee it to work".
The 4 watt LAMPI lights are awesome.  I have one running 24/7 in my shop for the area where I feed my kitties.  I bought 20 of them a while back. They have a standard 4 watt tube that is "not intended" to be replaced, but could be replaced with a little work.  they are indeed programmed start, with a nice 2-3 second end glow at startup.
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Re: Old GE shop light on E bay « Reply #6 on: March 04, 2014, 05:04:46 PM » Author: themaritimegirl
It does not blink when it starts, it just starts up.

Does it visibly preheat the cathodes before it starts, though? Interesting, yours sounds different than the ones I've seen here before, with what's apparently a resistive ballast.
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Re: Old GE shop light on E bay « Reply #7 on: March 04, 2014, 07:55:55 PM » Author: Larry
Larry, I e-mailed the seller of those lights about a year ago and he had plenty more that were not converted.  I told him I was interested in only ones that were all original and he seemed SHOCKED.  He said he would take off $20 from the price but "would not guarantee it to work".
The 4 watt LAMPI lights are awesome.  I have one running 24/7 in my shop for the area where I feed my kitties.  I bought 20 of them a while back. They have a standard 4 watt tube that is "not intended" to be replaced, but could be replaced with a little work.  they are indeed programmed start, with a nice 2-3 second end glow at startup.

Yeah Diesel the one I just bought here on e bay I think is one of those that has been converted to electronic ballast.
It was clean and the price was right so I bought it.
I should have waited and bought a original one that has not been converted and had all the labels.
Also this one was "cleaned" meaning that all the labels are gone. ::)
 
I just bought a NOS GE double 40 watt preheat ballast on e bay with a 1973 date code.
So I will be converting it back to preheat and two new real 40 watt GE T12 daylight bulbs.
But there is no way to replace the labels.

Like many others here I would rather have a good stock un butchered fixture and restore it back to its former self.
Just like I would rather have a nice stock 57 Chevy than one modified with a blower sticking out of the hood. :o
So its value as a collector item is reduced to not very much.

As far as the little Lampi goes it is different than you describe.
This has a white plastic fixture, but has normal bulb sockets that hold the bulb.
It is really a nice looking fixture kind of like a strip fixture with no diffuser, just a bare replaceable bulb.
You just twist the bulb and it comes out.
I looked for more like it, but so far it is the only one I have found.
My uncle said he bought it at a hardware store in the 1980s.

I will try to get a picture posted.
 



 
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Re: Old GE shop light on E bay « Reply #8 on: March 04, 2014, 08:31:15 PM » Author: Larry
It does not blink when it starts, it just starts up.

Does it visibly preheat the cathodes before it starts, though? Interesting, yours sounds different than the ones I've seen here before, with what's apparently a resistive ballast.

There is just a green circuit board in the white plastic fixture with normal sockets and a replaceable 4 watt bulb.
Looks like a strip fixture with bare bulb.
No ballast or starter.

I just checked it and it just starts up like a rapid start would.
I don't see any end glow first before it lights.
The bulb and fixture runs warm, but not hot.

The circuit board has no chips, just a large sand type resistor 100 ohm Dale five watt, a small resistor green red yellow a capacitor 2.2 k and what looks like a small transistor K1200E 70 H6 with the normal three leads, but the center lead is cut off. :o

Circuit board says Lampi EDP 326-2

The circuit board has provisions for soldered in sockets but there are two wires each end soldered in that go to the bulb sockets.
That is all there is to it other than the bulb and cord.
There was no label on the fixture, but there may have been at one time.
It is my favorite fixture because it fits in my shirt pocket. :D

I don't know how it works, but it does work.
I wished I could find a few more.
Maybe Medved knows how this works as he is good with this type of thing.
 
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Re: Old GE shop light on E bay « Reply #9 on: March 05, 2014, 01:57:39 PM » Author: DieselNut
I totally agree with you about keeping them original, as much as possible.  I restored many of my lights as close to original as possible, as some had been converted to rapid start or poorly maintained.
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