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Streetlight Fight in Rome: Golden Glow vs. Harsh LED - The New York Times « on: April 11, 2017, 07:53:11 AM » Author: Prismatic
Interesting article about LED streelights and residents fighting against them...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/27/world/europe/rome-streetlights-led-lights.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1
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Re: Streetlight Fight in Rome: Golden Glow vs. Harsh LED - The New York Times « Reply #1 on: April 11, 2017, 08:30:44 AM » Author: dor123
I think my father told me about this, during my way to my father home, but he tought that this was happened at Paris, France. Anyway, I searched for a hebrew article about this subject, and not found.
Anyway, this looks like a low level content, as the really non-exists energy saving from the LED, being mentioned non-stop.
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Re: Streetlight Fight in Rome: Golden Glow vs. Harsh LED - The New York Times « Reply #2 on: April 11, 2017, 08:42:23 AM » Author: Ash
What i find most disturbing is, that the energy savings and environmental advantage of LED over SON is taken for a fact. While the reality is, that new SON luminaires would offer same energy savings while providing good lighting, and be by far better environmentally than the LED ewaste
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Re: Streetlight Fight in Rome: Golden Glow vs. Harsh LED - The New York Times « Reply #3 on: April 11, 2017, 03:10:49 PM » Author: sol
Not meaning to stir the pot, but was Rome lit with mercury lamps before the existing sodium ones ? If they used incandescent before the HPS, they have a point. If they used mercury, then not so much.

Nevertheless, I would still strongly vote for HPS to stay, but the fact is I am not Roman and if there were a plebiscite, I would not have the right to vote...
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Re: Streetlight Fight in Rome: Golden Glow vs. Harsh LED - The New York Times « Reply #4 on: April 11, 2017, 07:27:00 PM » Author: Lumex120
Look at this Facebook group I found in the comments:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/155084901640186/?ref=bookmarks
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Re: Streetlight Fight in Rome: Golden Glow vs. Harsh LED - The New York Times « Reply #5 on: April 11, 2017, 09:47:18 PM » Author: xmaslightguy
I assume by Sodium, they mean SOX (not HPS)
I personally like the pure-white color of some LEDs (in the right area). But I also love SOX, and MV.
but I would also want the old historic lights to stay...both the fixtures themselves, and their SOX lamps/gear.
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Re: Streetlight Fight in Rome: Golden Glow vs. Harsh LED - The New York Times « Reply #6 on: April 11, 2017, 09:51:04 PM » Author: Lumex120
I assume by Sodium, they mean SOX (not HPS)
I personally like the pure-white color of some LEDs (in the right area). But I also love SOX, and MV.
but I would also want the old historic lights to stay...both the fixtures themselves, and their SOX lamps/gear.
They look like HPS to me. (Notice how colors are showing up under them, LPS has literally no CRI and makes all colors a dingy shade of yellow). To be honest, I prefer HPS in lots of situations like this. It just looks so warm and inviting. Also, really sucks that the Coliseum lights got replaced with LEDs.  :( It looked so cool with the HPS.
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Re: Streetlight Fight in Rome: Golden Glow vs. Harsh LED - The New York Times « Reply #7 on: April 12, 2017, 12:05:45 AM » Author: xmaslightguy
@Lumex120:
The link Prismatic posted doesn't work for me .. said something about not being logged in.
So I google'd it.  The pics I saw the lights looked more yellow like SOX (but what I didn't pay attention to is if there was some minor bit of color rendering like you mentioned that would indicate HPS)
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Re: Streetlight Fight in Rome: Golden Glow vs. Harsh LED - The New York Times « Reply #8 on: April 12, 2017, 01:32:56 AM » Author: tolivac
The LED vs HPS-the scenes in Rome do look BETTER under the HPS lights.Their LED replacements are dim adn cold.Same with here in Greenville-a section of Greenville BVD is lit with new LED lights another section with HPS-the HPS is MUCH better--esp in rain,rare snow aand sleet.The LED conversions should be scrapped until LED can mature more.
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Re: Streetlight Fight in Rome: Golden Glow vs. Harsh LED - The New York Times « Reply #9 on: April 12, 2017, 01:58:14 AM » Author: Ash
I have been there as kid 16 years ago. It is all SON-T. The suspended from the wire lanterns in the article are the same ones i recall seeing, in addition they have some wall floods on various buildings which too are all SOM

Virtually none of them are directional or cutoff, so that is where a new SON lantern could potentially save a lot of energy. But it may be that they are benefitting from the light spill (that it is responsible for the "warm atmosphere" described
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