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Why so many HPI-T ripoffs around the world? « on: April 25, 2021, 02:36:45 AM » Author: WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA
Whenever I have been looking for HID bulbs to collect from around the world on various sites on the internet, I have actually noticed that many manufacturers have apparently stolen Philips’ HPI-T metal halide lamp design. As a result, I have seen so many Chinese ripoffs of these lamps. I wonder why so many lamp manufacturers around the world stole the design for Philips’ HPI-T metal halide lamps?
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Re: Why so many HPI-T ripoffs around the world? « Reply #1 on: April 25, 2021, 02:42:24 AM » Author: dor123
I've never seen ripoffs of the Philips HPI-T. I seen more ripoffs of Osram HQI-BT 400W/D and HQI-T 400W/D.
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Re: Why so many HPI-T ripoffs around the world? « Reply #2 on: April 25, 2021, 09:25:19 AM » Author: Medved
What do you mean by "ripoff"?
Because Philips used industry standard components in the first place?
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Re: Why so many HPI-T ripoffs around the world? « Reply #3 on: April 25, 2021, 09:34:24 AM » Author: Rommie
The term rip-off to me means deliberate infringements of a company's patented designs. If that can be proven, then there is a case. If not, then it's not technically a rip-off. But then I'm not a legal expert.
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Re: Why so many HPI-T ripoffs around the world? « Reply #4 on: April 25, 2021, 10:13:09 AM » Author: Medved
The term rip-off to me means deliberate infringements of a company's patented designs. If that can be proven, then there is a case. If not, then it's not technically a rip-off. But then I'm not a legal expert.

The point is, there is not much plainly visible that won't be already an industry standard. The exact material composition (which is unique to a bg extend) I do not consider as "plain visible", the arctube shape is visible but no way anything new.

Plus patents (as legal tools) are in fact design publications, which offer monopoly protection only for limited time, which is already out, given how long these lamps are here. So even when copied, there is nothing bad on it.
On the contrary, patents were originally invented mainly as a way to encourage spreading and publishing the knowkedge, with the limited time monopoly benefit as an incentive.

The way how the patents are utilized today (to mainly prevent others from advancing by claiming very often just obvious ideas) is their abuse.
And when taking rigorously according to the original purpose of patents, 99% of them should have been thrown away by tye ofice from the start (for a patent to be valid, a thing should be NOVEL, NOT OBVIOUS, it should be accompanied by THOROUGH and UNDERSTANDABLE explanation). Mainly the last two (Obvious and Contain explanations) are the most abused. Mainly exploiting the impossibility of the patent office representatives to have the required expertize about all subjects they have to deal with...
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