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Re: States fight Trump rollback of Obama lightbulb rules « Reply #15 on: June 09, 2019, 01:04:15 PM » Author: Patrick
I'm interested in finding out what we are likely to expect in 2020.  The article indicates this would be a rollback of "Obama-era standards."  That's important in that the general service lamp standards in effect today are "Bush-era."  Although Congress has relaxed enforcement of the "Bush-era" rules in the past, that action was largely symbolic and did not change the law.  There are still two provisions that are set to take effect on January 1, 2020.  One is the 45 lm/w requirement for all General Service Lamps.  There was some controversy regarding this provision in the past.  Apparently the Department of Energy allowed this 45 lm/w "backstop" requirement to be triggered as a result of their inaction.  My understanding was that there was still some question regarding the enforcement of this backstop requirement alone should the DOE not pass a specific rule in response.  NEMA as well as manufacturers preferred lamp-specific standards to be set rather than an across the board rather than a 45 lm/w for all lamps classified as GSLs.  Another key matter that the article touched on was the expansion of the definition of a GSL, which took place at the end of Obama's second term.  This would extend it to include 3-Way, rough service/vibration resistant, reflector lamps, and certain decorative shapes.  If included, these would also be subject to the 45 lm/w requirement, or whatever standards are enacted.

In short, if all of the pending standards are reverted, we will continue to be subject to the rules in place today in 2020 and beyond.  If all of the pending standards go into effect, the majority of the most common incandescent and halogen lamps still available will go by the wayside, though some specialty lamps such as appliance lamps, heat lamps, colored lamps, very low/high wattage lamps should remain.  It sounds like the matter of the Obama expansion is still unsettled.  At one time there was uncertainly over the backstop as well as the January 1, 2020 date, and I don't know how settled either of those are at this point.
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Re: States fight Trump rollback of Obama lightbulb rules « Reply #16 on: June 09, 2019, 09:20:44 PM » Author: ace100w120v
They are actually going to reverse this? I'm a little surprised.  I'm not against it, but I think most likely LED, etc is here to stay.  Look at how CFLs were rendered obsolete on their own.  With that said, not much beats the 90 CRI light of incandescent.
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Re: States fight Trump rollback of Obama lightbulb rules « Reply #17 on: June 10, 2019, 06:40:48 AM » Author: lightinglover8902
Are you on old TP&L, Texas Electric Service, or DP&L lines?

How should I know??
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Re: States fight Trump rollback of Obama lightbulb rules « Reply #18 on: June 20, 2019, 04:20:20 AM » Author: Silverliner
Obama era light bulb rules actually refer to types of bulbs such as reflector, decorative, 3 way etc which was passed on Obama's last day in office. The general service incandescent law was passed by Bush.


I'm interested in finding out what we are likely to expect in 2020.  The article indicates this would be a rollback of "Obama-era standards."  That's important in that the general service lamp standards in effect today are "Bush-era."  Although Congress has relaxed enforcement of the "Bush-era" rules in the past, that action was largely symbolic and did not change the law.  There are still two provisions that are set to take effect on January 1, 2020.  One is the 45 lm/w requirement for all General Service Lamps.  There was some controversy regarding this provision in the past.  Apparently the Department of Energy allowed this 45 lm/w "backstop" requirement to be triggered as a result of their inaction.  My understanding was that there was still some question regarding the enforcement of this backstop requirement alone should the DOE not pass a specific rule in response.  NEMA as well as manufacturers preferred lamp-specific standards to be set rather than an across the board rather than a 45 lm/w for all lamps classified as GSLs.  Another key matter that the article touched on was the expansion of the definition of a GSL, which took place at the end of Obama's second term.  This would extend it to include 3-Way, rough service/vibration resistant, reflector lamps, and certain decorative shapes.  If included, these would also be subject to the 45 lm/w requirement, or whatever standards are enacted.

In short, if all of the pending standards are reverted, we will continue to be subject to the rules in place today in 2020 and beyond.  If all of the pending standards go into effect, the majority of the most common incandescent and halogen lamps still available will go by the wayside, though some specialty lamps such as appliance lamps, heat lamps, colored lamps, very low/high wattage lamps should remain.  It sounds like the matter of the Obama expansion is still unsettled.  At one time there was uncertainly over the backstop as well as the January 1, 2020 date, and I don't know how settled either of those are at this point.
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Re: States fight Trump rollback of Obama lightbulb rules « Reply #19 on: June 20, 2019, 04:21:28 AM » Author: Silverliner
Wasn't Centerpoint Energy once known as Houston Lighting and Power? I think TL&P and other utilities mentioned are now in Oncor Energy's area.

Predecessors of CenterPoint Energy. Never mind.
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Re: States fight Trump rollback of Obama lightbulb rules « Reply #20 on: August 25, 2019, 03:36:56 AM » Author: Silverliner
Oncor Energy is now largely owned by a California company called Sempra Energy. They operate San Diego Gas & Electric and Southern California Gas.

They have been merged, bought out, bought out again, merged, and even had foreign investors from GB. I miss the olds days of DP&L, TP&L, and Texas Electric Service with those services trucks that had the roll out wood varnished ladders.
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Re: States fight Trump rollback of Obama lightbulb rules « Reply #21 on: August 25, 2019, 09:28:53 AM » Author: Ash
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I do see one thing rises concern in this, and its nothing to do with the clean energy itself. Most recent technologies related to such energies seem to be produced exclusively in China. This includes the higher end solar panels, semiconductor devices needed to build inverters (which are required for virtually every clean energy source, since the output varies and must be stabilized), lithium cells (energy storage) etc. Maybe there is a US based factory as well, but generally even if they exist, they often technologically lag behind their Chinese fellows at the moment

This is in contrast with fossil fuels, where all machinery required to refine and use it, are readily available to produce in the US

Even the fuel itself is present in the US. Coal is mined in the US for use in the US and export. Oil is present in the US too, although it is not pumped actively and instead US like all the rest of the world relies on Saudi and other oil from that region

So, this creates conditions where clean energy stands in conflict with US's wishes for econimical independence (at least in regards to the coal, with the oil its much more messy)

The US, Europe, and even us in the Middle East absolutely do need economical independence from China ASAP - We all collectively have given them way too much power over ourseves all this time. This must be addressed right there along with the technological matters
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Re: States fight Trump rollback of Obama lightbulb rules « Reply #22 on: September 01, 2019, 09:34:08 AM » Author: Kev
Although I am UK based I am an extremely strong trump supporter I like the no nonsense attitude. However that aside if I want to use less efficient lighting and I pay for the electric I use which we already pay a green tax on than in my mind it is no one elseís darn business and I should be able and allowed to buy the Lamps!
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Re: States fight Trump rollback of Obama lightbulb rules « Reply #23 on: September 07, 2019, 05:37:52 AM » Author: FGS
Although I am UK based I am an extremely strong trump supporter I like the no nonsense attitude. However that aside if I want to use less efficient lighting and I pay for the electric I use which we already pay a green tax on than in my mind it is no one elseís darn business and I should be able and allowed to buy the Lamps!

Donít you guys in UK have this Boris guy that Trump liked for a president?  Huh?
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Re: States fight Trump rollback of Obama lightbulb rules « Reply #24 on: October 14, 2019, 10:45:27 AM » Author: rjluna2
I see you guys/gals have encouraging comments here Smiley

We do have a lots of pro and con on different type of lighting technology with pro and con on consuming the lighting energy here.
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