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What light switches and receptacles do you have/use in in your house? « on: November 07, 2019, 10:42:16 PM » Author: fluorescent lover 40
The wiring devices are all Cooper.

Original switches: 1301W and 1303W
Original receptacles: 298W (backstab only) and 270W (for GFCI circuits)

There's also a 20A suplex and a 15A single but I don't know their model numbers.

Replacement switches: Leviton 1451-W and 1453-W
Replacement receptacles: Leviton 5320-W

Switches that have major arcing issues are being replaced. All backstab only receptacles are being replaced.

GFCIs, the 15A single, and the 20A duplex are staying.
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Re: What light switches and receptacles do you have/use in in your house? « Reply #1 on: November 08, 2019, 09:28:38 AM » Author: A2ZAlarms
The wiring devices are all Cooper.

Original switches: 1301W and 1303W
Original receptacles: 298W (backstab only) and 270W (for GFCI circuits)

There's also a 20A suplex and a 15A single but I don't know their model numbers.

Replacement switches: Leviton 1451-W and 1453-W
Replacement receptacles: Leviton 5320-W

Switches that have major arcing issues are being replaced. All backstab only receptacles are being replaced.

GFCIs, the 15A single, and the 20A duplex are staying.
my house is all regular leviton decorator devices. the barn is all new old stock Hubbell stuff and S&S stuff. my room switch is an old modified simplex pull station
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Re: What light switches and receptacles do you have/use in in your house? « Reply #2 on: November 08, 2019, 10:24:28 AM » Author: GE101R
Mixture of older snap switches and new decor rockers. Some of the house still has the two prong w/o ground receptacle but I am changing those out as time goes by.

And ribbed plates and some snap three way switchs. Farm house was built in 1972 and it looks like they used some older equipment to save money like reduced ground romex..
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Re: What light switches and receptacles do you have/use in in your house? « Reply #3 on: November 08, 2019, 11:27:51 AM » Author: sox35
Switches that have major arcing issues are being replaced. All backstab only receptacles are being replaced.
Ok, from someone who lives the other side of the pond, I have to ask - what on earth is a backstab receptacle..? It sounds rather worrying to me Shocked  Cheesy
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Re: What light switches and receptacles do you have/use in in your house? « Reply #4 on: November 08, 2019, 11:31:38 AM » Author: GE101R
Double gang ribbed plate with two heavy snap switches still in use in storage room. Note the slight yellowing.
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Re: What light switches and receptacles do you have/use in in your house? « Reply #5 on: November 08, 2019, 12:13:18 PM » Author: Ash
Originals were Tadiran with a few of the last Citor's here and there. Over the years parents changed many to the European equivalent of "Decora" ones, some of them i replaced back to the originals (which i kept) over the years. Switches for appliances that were installed over the years are Naiden Kirov
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Re: What light switches and receptacles do you have/use in in your house? « Reply #6 on: November 08, 2019, 12:35:45 PM » Author: fluorescent lover 40
Ok, from someone who lives the other side of the pond, I have to ask - what on earth is a backstab receptacle..? It sounds rather worrying to me Shocked  Cheesy
A receptacle with only push-in connections. They are notorious for arcing and being fire hazards if installed and used loosely. I will post a picture later. They have no screw terminals so they might not always make a reliable connection. The only screw terminal is the ground screw.
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Re: What light switches and receptacles do you have/use in in your house? « Reply #7 on: November 08, 2019, 12:50:01 PM » Author: GE101R
A receptacle with only push-in connections. They are notorious for arcing and being fire hazards if installed and used loosely. I will post a picture later. They have no screw terminals so they might not always make a reliable connection. The only screw terminal is the ground screw.
Many a stab in outlet or wall switch pulled out that released the conductor when pulled out of the box.
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Re: What light switches and receptacles do you have/use in in your house? « Reply #8 on: November 08, 2019, 01:12:55 PM » Author: Ash
I hacve seen some pictures of those "back stab" insides - The spring and contact surface are just folded from the copper bar that makes the rest of the receptacle. The only other place they make it like that is in Fluorescent lamp sockets, rated at 2A max with 0.5mm2 wire...

In all proper push in connections that are really made for more than 2A, the spring is real spring steel that does not lose tension over time and the contact surface is plated against corrosion
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Re: What light switches and receptacles do you have/use in in your house? « Reply #9 on: November 08, 2019, 01:16:18 PM » Author: GE101R
From experience, whether they are proper or not, they can and have lost tension.
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Re: What light switches and receptacles do you have/use in in your house? « Reply #10 on: November 08, 2019, 01:36:50 PM » Author: sox35
Thanks, they look dreadful..!

All the switches and sockets we use here have recessed grub screws to fasten wires, like this:

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Re: What light switches and receptacles do you have/use in in your house? « Reply #11 on: November 08, 2019, 01:39:34 PM » Author: Ash
I have worked on few control cabinets for machines with all insides wired with such connections (probably 150 or so power and control wires, currents of few A - motors etc) on all contactors, VFD inputs and outputs etc, and as stand alone terminal groups. The machines were 20 years old and had no problems there - You had to push and lever the screwdriver in the release hole very hard to release the wire, and it did not give any sign of the spring becoming weaker - not from age and not after releasing the wire one or more times

Never seen it happen with "building wiring" connectors from HellermannTyton or Wago either. I have my doubts in the current ratings (they are rated at 32A, i use them for 10A max) but i am concerned about the contact area between the wire and contact surface, not about the spring tension

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Re: What light switches and receptacles do you have/use in in your house? « Reply #12 on: November 08, 2019, 01:51:39 PM » Author: GE101R
I have worked on few control cabinets for machines with all insides wired with such connections (probably 150 or so power and control wires, currents of few A - motors etc) on all contactors, VFD inputs and outputs etc, and as stand alone terminal groups. The machines were 20 years old and had no problems there - You had to push and lever the screwdriver in the release hole very hard to release the wire, and it did not give any sign of the spring becoming weaker - not from age and not after releasing the wire one or more times

Never seen it happen with "building wiring" connectors from HellermannTyton or Wago either. I have my doubts in the current ratings (they are rated at 32A, i use them for 10A max) but i am concerned about the contact area between the wire and contact surface, not about the spring tension



I understand. I (my fellows) have rewired/service calls to over 10,000 apartments and thousands of homes throughout the years that had the stab in and many upon many simply released their wire(s) when I pulled the device out of the switch box. Some had been arcing and some had not. They simply released and many a day we would get service calls that an entire wall was out in a residence and after tracing the circuits and pulling the receptacles out sure enough the stab in had been arcing and lost contact. I begin simply using my hand and "banging" the wall at every outlet and with a plug in lamp on the load (dead) side of the circuit and most of the times the lamp would flash because the vibration of my hand caused momentary contact and energized the lamp. Beat taking all the receptacles out to find the one but of course, it did not always work that easy.
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Re: What light switches and receptacles do you have/use in in your house? « Reply #13 on: November 08, 2019, 05:40:44 PM » Author: Ash
This is one of the switches that use proper "push in" connections https://www.lighting-gallery.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=7&pid=167131
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Re: What light switches and receptacles do you have/use in in your house? « Reply #14 on: November 08, 2019, 06:09:47 PM » Author: GE101R
This is one of the switches that use proper "push in" connections https://www.lighting-gallery.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=7&pid=167131

Thanks but I am old school and wrap my conductors. Looks like a better grade but one never knows until they are mass installed to find out. How long these been on production?
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