Did the EU ban quartz metal halide lamps with E27 and E40 bases? « on: November 05, 2020, 07:08:47 AM » Author: WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA
When I was looking for QMH lamps on European websites, I seem to have a hard time finding QMH lamps that have E27 and E40 bases. Were those lamps banned by the EU?
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	Re: Did the EU ban quartz metal halide lamps with E27 and E40 bases? « Reply #1 on: November 05, 2020, 08:36:18 AM » Author: Mandolin Girl
Quote from: WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA on November 05, 2020, 07:08:47 AM When I was looking for QMH lamps on European websites, I seem to have a hard time finding QMH lamps that have E27 and E40 bases. Were those lamps banned by the EU? Strange, within seconds I found over 2,000 results.
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	Re: Did the EU ban quartz metal halide lamps with E27 and E40 bases? « Reply #2 on: November 05, 2020, 10:14:23 AM » Author: AngryHorse
Don’t get the Philips, Hungry ones, they have gone absolute garbage!, I fitted 13 of them in our paint shop last April, and six of them are now dead! Every one is going ceramic now with halide!
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	Re: Did the EU ban quartz metal halide lamps with E27 and E40 bases? « Reply #4 on: November 06, 2020, 02:20:12 AM » Author: Medved
Quote from: lights*plus on November 05, 2020, 02:01:07 PM HPS bulbs are banned yet M-H and CMH are not.. Something's a'foot! TheEcodesign rules are applied separately for individual categories. And the trend is to allow only the more efficient or lass environment damaging/stressing products. The MH are then different category (white, high CRI) than HPS (low CRI). In the "low CRI" are all HPS, but there are many differences among different types, even when all look like golden/orange glowing PCA tube. They differ in efficacy, life, mercury content, radioactive elements use, toxicity of the auxiliary materials (getters, seal assemblies,...), all that has its weight. So yes, many types are falling below the minimum threshold and so become banned. Plus this category is getting aggresively "attacked" by LEDs (the bluish-greenish high efficacy low CRI types, featuring just tye green phosphor, going well above 150lm/W). From the MH (high CRI) category many types are banned as well, but tye high CRI types do not have much competition yet (tye peaking monochromatic blue is hurting the LEDs on either CRI or efficacy)...
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	Re: Did the EU ban quartz metal halide lamps with E27 and E40 bases? « Reply #5 on: November 06, 2020, 07:11:27 PM » Author: WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA
Quote from: lights*plus on November 05, 2020, 02:01:07 PM HPS bulbs are banned yet M-H and CMH are not.. Something's a'foot! From my experience, I only know that “standard” HPS lamps are banned in the EU, but there are so-called “high-output” HPS lamps that are meant to replace them.
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	Re: Did the EU ban quartz metal halide lamps with E27 and E40 bases? « Reply #7 on: November 06, 2020, 11:31:27 PM » Author: Medved
Quote from: lights*plus on November 06, 2020, 07:35:38 PM There's a lot of industry myth behind the CRI and it's actual function in seeing better. Making environmental decisions, even if partly based on CRI, in my opinion are absurd..and personally I see it as a "smoke & mirrors" campaign (i.e., a diversion based on the profit motive). Its not about seeing better, but about comfort or a luxury. If you spend millions for something to look nice, you dont want to ruin it by using just yellow or green light, even when it would mean higher efficacy. On the other hand on places where you just want to see obstacles, yellow or green light is of no problem.
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	Re: Did the EU ban quartz metal halide lamps with E27 and E40 bases? « Reply #9 on: November 08, 2020, 04:31:09 PM » Author: Rommie
More than anything else, I have always believed in freedom of choice. Anyone anywhere in any country should be able to use whatever form of lighting they like, from candles to yes, if you really want them, LED (although I will always dislike their use for street lighting).
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	Re: Did the EU ban quartz metal halide lamps with E27 and E40 bases? « Reply #10 on: November 08, 2020, 04:54:43 PM » Author: Medved
The kind of restrictions called "ecodesign" now are nothing new, they are in force in Europe at least since the 70's energy crisis (and maybe longer). Minimum efficiency limits imposed onto fluorescent ballasts, effectively banning fixtures like NeataLine (using resistors, could not handle the weight of a core and coil). In late 80's the limits were tightened further... Fluorescent ballasts not feeding the lamps so they reach rated brightness - banned since 80's (at least; dimmable ballasts are rated at their full setting)
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	Re: Did the EU ban quartz metal halide lamps with E27 and E40 bases? « Reply #12 on: November 09, 2020, 01:37:08 AM » Author: Medved
They are shaped by the lighting makers attempting to reduce the portfolio they have to carry and mainly phase out the less profitable products they are otherwise forced to support by not be the one that "does not carry all" and force customers to buy the more profitable products instead. The "eco" thing is just a prop to pass it through politicians...
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	Re: Did the EU ban quartz metal halide lamps with E27 and E40 bases? « Reply #13 on: November 14, 2020, 04:57:19 PM » Author: Silverliner
That is stupid. European MH lamps are way better than USA MH lamps except the GE I-Line lamps which use the European MH chemistry.
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