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									| Yup both T8 and T12 were invented in 1938. Only the modern electronic T8s have been around since the 1980s. |  |  
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									| Wait, what about the T17 tubes? When they're made?
 According to James here's  the T17 was launched in 1940. I believe originally there were two lengths. The five foot F100T17 and the very rare three foot F65T17.  As for T5 lamps, I believe the original preheat range (4,6,8, and 13w lamps) came out around the same time, during the early 1940s. Modern T5 lamps (HE and HO) I believe were introduced something in the 90s, maybe 1995.  I'm not sure when did T10 come out. I think they were originally a alternative energy saving or high lumen drop in for T12 lamps. |  |  
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									| Interesting that T5 tubes didn't become popular until a few years ago. |  |  
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									| As far as I know, the modern T5 tubes are pretty much designed to be run off a electronic ballast too. T8 was the oddball as they were originally run on magnetic rapid start ballasts just like T12 lamps but later were pretty much all electronic.  |  |  
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									|  I'm not sure when did T10 come out. I think they were originally a alternative energy saving or high lumen drop in for T12 lamps.   I believe the were also much more common in Japan (may have even started out there.) |  |  
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									|  I believe the were also much more common in Japan (may have even started out there.)
 Westinghouse made T10s starting in the 1970s. |  |  
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									|  I believe the were also much more common in Japan (may have even started out there.)
 T10's were also common here seems like, because when I see old fixtures the tubes are thinner than T12 but thicker than T8. Also, some T10's were made in Chile. |  |  
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									| Yeah the only T10 lamps I have were either Japanese imports or Durotest lamps. Durotest even made a powertwist T10 that I believe could run on either T8 or T12 ballasts.  |  |  
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									| All T10's i seen (Chinese) are identical to T12s electrically and in light output/phosphor type. So no energy saving, maybe it was for saving on materials |  |  
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									| TBH, were T10 tubes used in commercial sign lighting? I think I saw a few at the ReStore which were made in Japan for use in sign lighting. |  |  
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									| TBH, were T10 tubes used in commercial sign lighting? I think I saw a few at the ReStore which were made in Japan for use in sign lighting.
 T10 HO lamps were used on magnetic rapid start ballasts for signs. |  |  
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