How long does it take for discontinued lamps lighting products to become rare? « on: October 31, 2021, 02:47:37 AM » Author: WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA
On average, how long does it take for banned and discontinued lighting products such as lamps, ballasts, and fixtures to be considered 'rare'?
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Desire to collect various light bulbs (especially HID), control gear, and fixtures from around the world.

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	Re: How long does it take for discontinued lamps lighting products to become rare? « Reply #1 on: October 31, 2021, 04:41:04 AM » Author: funkybulb
This ome is a very lenthy subject here as there are too many verables in each lamp types   Let start with circlark fixtures there are many Fixtures out there that needed lamps,  the lamo became unavailble thar people rip out there  Light and trashed them making fixture as equally as rare.  And this is what happening to last of F90T17 fixtures as lamp dried up in 2012.  GE with no warning that these lamp going out of production  And as supply of lamps dewindles with in two years lamp became scarces,  but u  can still find ballast and starters.   Now T12 and T8 there are still millions of ballast out there and we also have supply of lamps.  As long as these lamp are in production  There here to stay,  but electronic ballast replace the magnetic ballast.  Now mercury ballast been banned since 2008  Stock of them is starting to dewindle and getting more expensive   As time goes on,  and there still bunch of vintage stock lamps tucked away.  So is spare ballast.  But stock is starting to dry up As time pass on.  But as collector we know there other ballast  To use.
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	Re: How long does it take for discontinued lamps lighting products to become rare? « Reply #2 on: November 01, 2021, 10:30:00 AM » Author: Roi_hartmann
I don't think there is one answer. It depends factors like how popular was the lamp at the point it was discontinued/banned, is there direct replacement that wasn't discontinued,
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	Re: How long does it take for discontinued lamps lighting products to become rare? « Reply #6 on: November 03, 2021, 01:03:37 AM » Author: funkybulb
Yes stuff like LED L prize,  CRT lamps,  stuf  that were low in production numbers is always hard to find or get.  Good example of this would be westinghouse Econ Nova these are rarest of all CFLs  As westinghouse Made then for 18 months.  Until philips took over as philips shot that production down for SL18s  on the other hand I owned worse ever CFL ever made also now became rare.  For lamps u need to know manufacturing side of things.   For example there are tons and tons of Old School F40CW out there and still tucked away some where, as many can still be found Here and there those F40CWs been banned in 1995.  But with aid m of fluorescent rips outs and people gettng rid of there stock of tubes  Cause they no longer need them.  In 15 years it would really be hard to find as new collector standpoint.   In mean time electronic ballast can only lasf so long as has a shelf life.  But magnetic ballast can do better.  In future too keep these vintage lamps going,  be better start going beyond and learn how to make ballast for lamps as well.  The demand will drop so low to point those ebay sellers are going just throw them out or recycle them,  then ballast for fluorescents become rare.
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	Re: How long does it take for discontinued lamps lighting products to become rare? « Reply #8 on: November 03, 2021, 12:15:39 PM » Author: Mandolin Girl
As so many have said it all comes down to how wide spread was the lamp used when it was in service.? One that could be seen everywhere will be knocking around for years to come. A lamp or fixture that was rare when it was in service will become even rarer after it has been discontinued.
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	Re: How long does it take for discontinued lamps lighting products to become rare? « Reply #9 on: January 11, 2022, 02:52:16 AM » Author: WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA
Will European T8 fluorescent tubes become “rare” in less than 10 years after the 2023 ban? I am being told to regulate my spending since getting all the banned tubes would take up so much space.
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DISCLAIMER: THE EXPERIMENTS THAT I CONDUCT INVOLVING UNUSUAL LAMP/BALLAST COMBINATIONS SHOULD NOT BE ATTEMPTED UNLESS YOU HAVE THE PROPER KNOWLEDGE. I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INJURIES.

	Re: How long does it take for discontinued lamps lighting products to become rare? « Reply #10 on: January 11, 2022, 04:57:06 AM » Author: Roi_hartmann
Well, looking how it is now, I'd say yes.
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	Re: How long does it take for discontinued lamps lighting products to become rare? « Reply #12 on: January 12, 2022, 12:57:24 AM » Author: WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA
Here is some existing stock of Philips TL-M 40w/830 tubes: https://www.lampbelgie.be/en/philips-tl-m-rs-40w-830-1214-cm.html
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Desire to collect various light bulbs (especially HID), control gear, and fixtures from around the world.

DISCLAIMER: THE EXPERIMENTS THAT I CONDUCT INVOLVING UNUSUAL LAMP/BALLAST COMBINATIONS SHOULD NOT BE ATTEMPTED UNLESS YOU HAVE THE PROPER KNOWLEDGE. I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INJURIES.

	Re: How long does it take for discontinued lamps lighting products to become rare? « Reply #13 on: March 20, 2022, 10:57:02 PM » Author: 108CAM
An example from Australia is bulbs and tubes made by ELMA. Although ELMA was in operation for almost 100 years, bulbs and tubes made there are quickly becoming harder and harder to find because the bulbs have burnt out or have been replaced CFLs & LEDs during the Government's many rounds of free lighting upgrades that began when incandescent bulbs were banned in the mid 2000's.
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	Re: How long does it take for discontinued lamps lighting products to become rare? « Reply #14 on: April 04, 2022, 02:33:14 AM » Author: bulb_tester2009
I'd say about 20 years. The Philips SL, for example, was the best-selling compact fluorescent lamp in China in the 1990s, but was all but extinct by the 2010s. There are also inductive ballasts, which generally become rare after 20 years of production in China, and will almost disappear after 30 years
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