Running 90w+ SOX low pressure sodium lamps base up? « on: February 06, 2022, 11:57:48 PM » Author: WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA
After knowing that SOX low pressure sodium lamps must never be operated base down since the accumulated sodium would eat away the seals at the electrodes, I am well aware that SOX low pressure sodium lamps between 18w and 55w can be safely operated base up in addition to being operated horizontally like most SOX low pressure sodium lamps. I am starting to wonder what would happen to 90w, 135w, and 180w SOX low pressure sodium lamps if they were operated base up instead of horizontal as intended assuming they are used in secure lampholders and are adequately supported.
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	Re: Running 90w+ SOX low pressure sodium lamps base up? « Reply #3 on: February 07, 2022, 06:05:53 PM » Author: FrontSideBus
AFAIK 135 to 180 were horizontal only. Not sure on the the 90 though.
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	Re: Running 90w+ SOX low pressure sodium lamps base up? « Reply #4 on: February 07, 2022, 08:04:40 PM » Author: Rommie
IIRC all the Osram-GEC "SuperSOX" range were supposed to be able to operate base up, right up to the 180W ones. Not sure I'd want to try it, though.
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	Re: Running 90w+ SOX low pressure sodium lamps base up? « Reply #5 on: February 08, 2022, 01:34:21 AM » Author: wide-lite 1000
I had to run one of my 135w SOX base up for about an hour as all of the sodium was accumulated around the electrodes. I'd assume the previous owner had run it base down . The sodium didn't pool in the bend .
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	Re: Running 90w+ SOX low pressure sodium lamps base up? « Reply #6 on: March 27, 2022, 07:00:55 PM » Author: Rommie
It probably wouldn't for that length of time. Try it for a week and you might notice it.
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	Re: Running 90w+ SOX low pressure sodium lamps base up? « Reply #7 on: March 27, 2022, 08:14:55 PM » Author: wide-lite 1000
I ran it just enough to get all of the sodium from the electrodes .
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	Re: Running 90w+ SOX low pressure sodium lamps base up? « Reply #8 on: March 28, 2022, 12:01:04 AM » Author: icefoglights
The sodium in an LPS lamp will condense in the coldest parts of the lamp.  When a long lamp is run vertically base up, that would be the U bend at the bottom.  Over time (many hours and probably many cycles too) there won't be enough sodium spread throughout the arc tube to allow for an even sodium discharge.  The lamp would become a "red burner", only glowing from the neon in the tube with a little sodium glow from the U bend area.  I don't think it hurts the lamp in the long run but would result in the light not doing its job when in actual service.
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	Re: Running 90w+ SOX low pressure sodium lamps base up? « Reply #9 on: March 28, 2022, 06:36:53 AM » Author: Rommie
As I said, the Osram/GEC "Super SOX" range were quoted in the literature as being able to run base up for all ratings, but personally I wouldn't want to do it.
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	Re: Running 90w+ SOX low pressure sodium lamps base up? « Reply #10 on: March 28, 2022, 08:15:30 AM » Author: dor123
Running the higher wattage LPS lamps base-up will result in the sodium migrating to the center of the tube, so that at the end, only the argon-neon will be ionized, so argon clean-up by the borate glass will be accelerated, eventually result in a lamp that unable to start.
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	Re: Running 90w+ SOX low pressure sodium lamps base up? « Reply #11 on: March 28, 2022, 08:45:41 AM » Author: Rommie
Theoretically.
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	Re: Running 90w+ SOX low pressure sodium lamps base up? « Reply #12 on: March 28, 2022, 09:12:49 AM » Author: Mandolin Girl
It would seem that GEC added something to the chemical mix to allow the larger wattage of lamps to be run base up.
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	Re: Running 90w+ SOX low pressure sodium lamps base up? « Reply #13 on: March 28, 2022, 09:17:04 AM » Author: Rommie
That's a possibility, we'd need someone more knowledgeable about the actual manufacturing processes they used for those lamps to be sure.
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	Re: Running 90w+ SOX low pressure sodium lamps base up? « Reply #14 on: March 28, 2022, 02:37:59 PM » Author: AngryHorse
It wouldn’t affect either the 180 or 135 GEC versions as GEC used the least amount of sodium for lamps that size anyway! There was only Philips that ‘overdosed’ the sodium metal in their lamps for some reason?, even Thorn made 90 and 135 watt SOX only had one ‘pea’ size amount of sodium in them.
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