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Finalized Idea for MV, MH, and HPS all From One Ballast? « on: April 15, 2025, 08:25:38 PM » Author: Multisubject
So the idea I will go with for this is a 100W MH ballast powering a 100W MV (with no ignitor), a 100W MH, and a 100W European-style SON-T or NAV-T lamp. There will be a single pole switch in series with the COM wire of the ignitor to make it easier to disconnect. However, this setup will over-ballast the 100W MV lamp semi-significantly, and European-style lamps are difficult to come by in the US. I am trying to figure out a better way to do this so people can start out collecting lights without having to spend a whole lotta money just on ballasts. The plans are the following:

A 150W HX pulse-start MH ballast with a single-pole switch in series with the COM wire of the ignitor, which can power the following lamps (one at a time obviously):
  • A 175W mercury vapor lamp (with the ignitor COM switch OFF)
  • A 150W pulse-start metal halide lamp (with ignitor switch ON)
  • A 150W S56 HPS lamp (NOT S55!!!) (with ignitor switch ON)
All of this can be put in a box or mounted on a wooden board, with a Mogul socket wired to it. Using a cheap porcelain Mogul to Medium adapter, you may connect the HPS and MH lamps which may or may not be Medium base (depending on the lamp you get). The MV lamps are almost always Mogul base.

This is a good plan right? Am I correct with the 175W MV and 150W S56 HPS being able to run on 150W MH ballasts?
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Re: Finalized Idea for MV, MH, and HPS all From One Ballast? « Reply #1 on: April 16, 2025, 12:24:47 AM » Author: Medved
I think it should electrically match pretty well...
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Re: Finalized Idea for MV, MH, and HPS all From One Ballast? « Reply #2 on: April 16, 2025, 05:44:21 PM » Author: NeXe Lights
It will work. A S56 HPS does have a arc voltage 5 volts higher then that of a 150w MH. One issue I see is that 175w MV has a 0.3 A lower arc current then 150w MH, 1.8A for MH but 1.5A for MV, so the MV will be overdriven, but this won't be an issue so long as you use a more readily available lamp, any Chinese one will do, or a GE. You might anger some people (such as me) for running a lifeguard lamp like that.
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Re: Finalized Idea for MV, MH, and HPS all From One Ballast? « Reply #3 on: April 16, 2025, 06:24:43 PM » Author: Multisubject
You might anger some people (such as me) for running a lifeguard lamp like that.
I can't trust myself with even owning one of those and handling it, never mind running it lol.
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Re: Finalized Idea for MV, MH, and HPS all From One Ballast? « Reply #4 on: April 16, 2025, 08:03:02 PM » Author: NeXe Lights
Well if you do ever get one make sure to treat it well, they are some very high quality lamps.
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Re: Finalized Idea for MV, MH, and HPS all From One Ballast? « Reply #5 on: April 17, 2025, 02:14:59 AM » Author: Medved
It will work. A S56 HPS does have a arc voltage 5 volts higher then that of a 150w MH. One issue I see is that 175w MV has a 0.3 A lower arc current then 150w MH, 1.8A for MH but 1.5A for MV, so the MV will be overdriven, but this won't be an issue so long as you use a more readily available lamp, any Chinese one will do, or a GE. You might anger some people (such as me) for running a lifeguard lamp like that.

It won't, because the MV has higher arc voltage (~130V instead of ~95V) and that would lead to lower current from the HX ballast, so it will be very close to the 1.5A (if the ballast impedance would be pure linear and lossless inductor, the current would be 1.6A; but because normally these first have extra losses and second the magnetics uses to be operating very close to saturation, so a bit smaller flux in the shunt because of the higher arc voltage means more significant reduction in the current)...
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Re: Finalized Idea for MV, MH, and HPS all From One Ballast? « Reply #6 on: April 17, 2025, 07:00:24 AM » Author: NeXe Lights
I did not think of that lol
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Re: Finalized Idea for MV, MH, and HPS all From One Ballast? « Reply #7 on: April 17, 2025, 12:06:49 PM » Author: Multisubject
It won't, because the MV has higher arc voltage (~130V instead of ~95V) and that would lead to lower current from the HX ballast, so it will be very close to the 1.5A (if the ballast impedance would be pure linear and lossless inductor, the current would be 1.6A; but because normally these first have extra losses and second the magnetics uses to be operating very close to saturation, so a bit smaller flux in the shunt because of the higher arc voltage means more significant reduction in the current)...
I was thinking that would help my cause, but I didn't know it would be such a good match with this ballast!
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