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Types of Electric Discharge « on: July 10, 2025, 09:56:21 AM » Author: Multisubject
I found this picture describing types of discharges in a tube:
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/A-schematic-of-the-dc-glow-discharge-showing-the-several-distinct-regions-that-appear_fig3_320454510
This is all fine and dandy, but I have questions:

1) Color Differences:
From what I have seen, the color of a positive-column discharge is usually different than the negative-glow discharge, even when the same filler is used. Why is this?

2) Presence of different glows:
In a neon indicator, there never seems to be any anode glow at all. What makes these certain glows appear in some discharges but not all?

Thanks!
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Re: Types of Electric Discharge « Reply #1 on: July 10, 2025, 10:04:40 AM » Author: dor123
You must run the tube at DC to watch the various discharge properly. At AC, all of these discharges changes location very fast.
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Re: Types of Electric Discharge « Reply #2 on: July 10, 2025, 10:42:12 AM » Author: Multisubject
@dor123
I am well aware of that, but when running a neon indicator on DC, only negative glow discharge is observed.
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Re: Types of Electric Discharge « Reply #3 on: July 10, 2025, 10:43:31 AM » Author: dor123
You need a long tube to see this.
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Re: Types of Electric Discharge « Reply #4 on: July 10, 2025, 04:10:14 PM » Author: Alex
Have you requestet the associated paper?
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Re: Types of Electric Discharge « Reply #5 on: July 10, 2025, 04:36:32 PM » Author: RRK
I found this picture describing types of discharges in a tube:
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/A-schematic-of-the-dc-glow-discharge-showing-the-several-distinct-regions-that-appear_fig3_320454510
This is all fine and dandy, but I have questions:

1) Color Differences:
From what I have seen, the color of a positive-column discharge is usually different than the negative-glow discharge, even when the same filler is used. Why is this?

2) Presence of different glows:
In a neon indicator, there never seems to be any anode glow at all. What makes these certain glows appear in some discharges but not all?

Thanks!


(1) Electrons speed/enegry/'temperature' whatever you like to call it, is higher at the area near the cathode. So different energy levels of the gas atoms external electron orbits can be excited on interaction. More so, for some gas mixes like Ne/Hg or Ne/Kr or Ne/Xe, Ne glow is excited only around the cathode, with Hg/Kr/Xe dominating the column. See this at plasma globes or at Philps TUV6 glow discharge UV lamp pictured here. To @dor123 - plasma globes sure a run on AC, yet stil this phenomena is observed!

(2) Just no space for a discharge column. Try to excite a nixie lamp in a non-prescribed way - reverse polarity, non-functional pins or so - you'll see the column, in a gorgeous blue mercury glow for many nixies! Anode glow as a thin film around the *anode* seems not to appear in the most common types of glow discharge we see. 
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Re: Types of Electric Discharge « Reply #6 on: July 10, 2025, 06:15:50 PM » Author: Multisubject
@RRK
Thanks so much! That makes sense, I didn't know that certain gases will emit more light at the anode/cathode and emit different light there. That is pretty cool.
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Re: Types of Electric Discharge « Reply #7 on: July 10, 2025, 11:33:43 PM » Author: dor123
@RRK: So why most plasma globes have a 230V AC -> 12V DC transformer? Also: I've a battery operated plasma globe from Aliexpress.
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Re: Types of Electric Discharge « Reply #8 on: July 11, 2025, 12:41:35 AM » Author: RRK
Because you need a few kilovolts at 50+KHz to feed the plasma and it is cheaper to make a 12V inverter. High powered globes are line feed.
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