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Spiel about the "best" socket in the world (maybe not UK...) « on: February 07, 2026, 05:01:51 PM » Author: Multisubject
It seems that the widely accepted "best" socket in the work is the UK BS-1363 (type G) socket. This is a pretty decent opinion, but I personally think it is the second best socket in the world. Here is why:
 - Ground prong is the same width as the live/neutral pins, just longer and unshrouded. This means that with a cruddy noncompliant socket that doesn't have a wide enough flange (common with international sockets), you can insert the ground prong into the live part of the socket, energizing the chassis of the appliance.
 - They are sharp, of course I haven't ever experienced this myself because I live in the US but apparently the rectangular beveled pins of the plug are very very painful to step on, especially since practically all of the plugs are of the right-angle style that can stick up when laying on the ground.
 - If you have a screwdriver then you can shove a Europlug in it, potentially damaging socket contacts

The plug that I think is the best (with conditions) is the type M plug (BS-546), most notably used in the UK before the late 1940s when they switched to type G, and currently used in countries like India and South Africa among others. Now the type M plug I believe is still made in unshrouded pin and unfused versions, and I believe the sockets are also made in unshuttered versions. But shrouded, fused, and shuttered versions exist, which maintain equal safety to type G with the following benefits:
 - Ground prong is too wide to fit in live/neutral parts of the socket
 - Rounded ends probably greatly reduce the pain associated with stepping on them
 - Completely incompatible with most cruddy international multi-fit sockets (a good thing, really)
 - Can handle up to 15A instead of just 13 (not as important for existing applications of course)
 - You can't shove other country's improper plugs inside them with just a screwdriver

Now obviously the UK switched away from this plug for a reason, because their ring mains could deliver up to 32A, and that required every plug to have a fuse. This could have been done with type M, but older plugs and sockets would still exist that remained unfused, unshrouded, and unshuttered. They made the right move in my mind. And all of the drawbacks of the current type G are really just nitpicking. But my viewpoint stands, type M is probably the best, assuming the sockets are shuttered and the plugs are fused and shrouded.

Also on a side note: Australian (type I) outlets are based on blades, like US plugs. New type I plugs have shrouded pins, proving that it is possible to make shrouded pins on a blade-style plug. Why doesn't the US do this? 120V can still really hurt you.

What do you think?
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Re: Spiel about the "best" socket in the world (maybe not UK...) « Reply #1 on: February 07, 2026, 05:37:17 PM » Author: Baked bagel 11
Aussie sockets have switches, so there isn't arcing! I never understood why the USA didn't do that.
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Re: Spiel about the "best" socket in the world (maybe not UK...) « Reply #2 on: February 07, 2026, 05:54:32 PM » Author: Multisubject
@Baked bagel 11
Almost all of our appliances have switches on the actual appliance, that we would typically turn off before unplugging. I think Technology Connections made a video arguing both sides of the topic of switched outlets, I don't really know where I stand on that issue. In my mind, switches gotta be somewhere, doesn't matter where you put them. Switched outlets do exist in the US and are cool, but not often. Oh well.
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Re: Spiel about the "best" socket in the world (maybe not UK...) « Reply #3 on: February 08, 2026, 07:26:20 AM » Author: Medved
Well, "simple appliances" (that is how the standard here used to call such devices; like hot melt glue guns, cloth irons,...) don't need switches, they can be controlled just by unplugging them. If done too frequently in one socket, you wear it down at it loses connection sooner or later regardless what mains socket standard we are talking about. Having a switched socket prevents that from happening, but on the other hand the switch itself presents more wear prone parts of the installation.

And for the British mains socket/plugs: Weren't they originally designed to work in 25A or even 32A circuits? So their design needed to anticipate at least 32A upstream fusing. Therefore the need for such beefy construction and the secondary fuse within the plug, as the 32A fuse won't be able to protect the cable from the plug to the device (or the cable would have to be too thick to be practical).

Most (practically all not based on the British one) other standards limit the maximum fuse (breaker) rating for domestic circuits to just 10..16A, so the branch fusing becomes sufficient for practical cable sizes without any need for any in-plug fuse. And allows the sockets/plugs to be way more compact.

So when judging safety, I won't agree the with the statement of the British system to be "the safest", when relying no moron would replace the blown fuse in the plug for a nail or so. With standards from everywhere else the cable is just protected by the breaker in the panel.
Yes, at the time of its origin, the power limitation the other systems impose semed as impractical, at that time the need was to quickly reduce the use of local coal burning stoves and convince people to use electric heaters instead, therefore the need for the rather high power sockets in homes.
Other parts of the world did notface that problem, so did not need such high power capable mains socket system, so went for simpler and more compact solutions.

But if you look on any modern wiring, there use to be way more branches than would be needed if the power rating would be the limit. So no need for 25 or 32A capable socket anymore, then the British standard (of such oversized sockets/plugs) becomes more of a historical relic than anything useful. But as with any other such standard, once set, extremely hard to change, even when others may be way better suited for present day needs.
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Re: Spiel about the "best" socket in the world (maybe not UK...) « Reply #4 on: February 08, 2026, 07:33:26 AM » Author: Michael
I think our Swiss type J is the best. Bescause it’s small, safe and in some cases the 230V plug (T12 or T23) can be plugged into a 230/400V socket (T15 AND T25)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SN_441011
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Re: Spiel about the "best" socket in the world (maybe not UK...) « Reply #5 on: February 08, 2026, 10:44:07 AM » Author: Multisubject
@Medved
While yes these sockets were installed on 32A circuits, each socket itself was only rated to carry 13A maximum (the largest fuse that could be safely installed in a plug).

And yes I am making a lot of assumptions here. Assuming the plug has a fuse, assuming the pins are shrouded, assuming the socket is shuttered, etc. Assuming all of those conditions are true, this system is safe. But there is no way to ensure that, which is admittedly a problem.

@Michael
Type J seems relatively similar to others like H, K, N, and O. Often no safety shutters or fuses in the plugs. Which is usually not as much of a problem since the maximum circuit size is 23A (but more often just 16A), but the conductors in the cords seem to not reflect that, just like the US. At least they have shrouded pins, that is definitely a good thing.

Interesting note on three phase compatibility, I did not know that. I can see how that can be useful.
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Re: Spiel about the "best" socket in the world (maybe not UK...) « Reply #6 on: February 09, 2026, 06:17:18 AM » Author: Ash
BS1363 has its own safety/performance issues

1
Wiping a flat blade with a flat (in one dimension) socket contact results in moderate pressure, for the same amount of force the user inserting the plug feels from outside

In European plugs with round pins, the pressure from the socket contact is concentrated to a narrower spot, resulting in higher pressure, so the contact is wiped more forcibly in this spot to break surface dirt and oxides

The same contact spot is then elongated into a line when the plug is fully inserted. The final contact area is similar to the BS1363, except in the European ones the line is along the pin (along the same area that is wiped on its way in and out), while in BS1363 all the area that was wiped during the insertion of the plug isn't even in use and the benefit is wasted



2
The plug is polarized, which gives the appliance manufactuer (or DIYer) a sense of security that a certain conductor at their end has no voltage on it. This sense is false. It takes as little as pulling the plug halfway out and a little to the right to make the appliance live on the Neutral as much as it is on the Live

Anyone referring to this as a safety feature (outside of some industrial applications maybe, which would then use IEC 60309 plugs anyway), does this because in their thinking, they treat the Neutral with less caution than the Live. Which means their entire application is less safe regardless of the plug

Schuko and the Italian types are not polarized, and while the French plug itself cannot be inserted in reverse, there is no consistent code for the polarity of the wiring in the wall receptacle. (Besides, the plug itself is usually the same plug made to fit both the French and Schuko). This means that all 3 are essentially non polarized

Then manufacturers and DIYers using European plugs can have no expectations regarding the Neutral, cannot treat the Neutral in any way less carefully than the Live, and insulate everything properly

This have nothing to do with the switch of the appliance having 50% chance of being on the neutral. When this happens, when switched off, the appliance internal wiring and components will remain live, but they are still fully insulated and enclosed



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If an appliance connected to the plug has a short circuit in it, there will be sparks and the breaker will trip or fuse will blow

MCBs (European type circuit breakers, used both in Europe and UK) are all energy limiting. When a short circuit with high enough current happens, they interrupt the current before it reached its Ohms-law expected peak value, and respectively the energy. This effect is most significant when the short circuit current is high, ie. house near
the transformer, socket on a short wiring run from the DB inside the house

This reduces the arc and melted metal blown from the contacts that were closed to complete the short circuit (the plug, held in hand at the moment this happens)

For exact specs see https://www.eaton.com/content/dam/eaton/products/electrical-circuit-protection/circuit-breakers/xeffect/eaton-xeffect-industrial-switchgear-range-catalog-ca003002en-en-us.pdf plots on p. 152-153

I have not been able to find similar data for BS1362 fuse

The BS1363 plug is inserted into a receptacle on a 32A breaker, the European on a 16A breaker. At high currents, the 16A breaker will significantly reduce the "bang" compared to 32A

Back in the day when BS1363 was designed, short circuit currents in homes were small (probably in the <1kA range), and the only means of upstream protection was fuses - but in the UK they were often not sand filled - just user replaceable wire between 2 screws on a ceramic cartridge, so the BS1362 fuse performed better than the upstream protection



4
Any short circuit interruption device (breaker or fuse) has limited interruption capacity, and will blow up if this capacity is exceeded. For BS1362 fuse it is 6kA, same as circuit breakers mostly used in homes

Maybe holding the interruption device (plug with the fuse in it) in hand while it is failing (for example, if the ceramic was cracked during installation into the plug), is less safe than having it installed remotely in the DB



5
Additional connections in the plug mean additional possible points of failure (bad contact and heating), which cannot be seen by the user from outside, and cannot be felt by the user from outside (the plug won't feel loose in the socket when inserting). The plug with loose fuse may be plugged in behind some cupboard, in a hidden location where it can keep heating and melting until it causes a fire

Any other plug is safer here just because it is simple, there is lower chance that something is bad inside

Same for the switch in the sockets (Australia too). Besides, i wonder how well that switch is protected from molten copper shooting out around the button edge if it is switched on into a short circuit



Does this amount to make the plug bad/dangerous enough to avoid it ? No, it is a fairly safe plug, as are most others used around the world, many of which do or dont have some safety features in particular

Just cut the hype already



If i would be choosing one plug of the existing ones for "home" uses in e.g. a new country (without compatibility considerations to existing everything), it would be Schuko (best) or the Italian (more compact, allowing to fit 2x more sockets in the same space)

In Italy they actually do use both for those very reasons

There are other European plugs with similar quality - the French etc, but they dont have the feature of being possible to insert both ways (for convenience and for reducing strain on the cable in some cases) which is a nice to have

Swiss 3 phase and 1 phase combined sockets are also nice to have. With minor changes the swiss combined socket can be made to accept also the italian plugs, and the Italian and schuko sockets can be made to accept the 1ph Swiss plugs
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Re: Spiel about the "best" socket in the world (maybe not UK...) « Reply #7 on: February 09, 2026, 10:33:45 AM » Author: Multisubject
@Ash
Very interesting view on polarization, I haven't heard it described in that way. I always assumed that insulation requirements for neutral were equal to the requirements for live, but I could be wrong.

I had no idea that MCBs were energy limiting!!! I wish we had those in the US. I can see how that would definitely make a difference in terms of the "bang" of faults.

6kA is not a whole lot... Lowest I have seen here is 10kA.

My viewpoint on type F Schuko is kind of mixed. They can fit perfectly into type H, K, L, O, older round type C, and sometimes type D sockets, but won't receive a ground connection by doing so. The same applies for the type E French plugs.

As to Italian type L plugs, I am so far a fan. 16A, unpolarized, protruding ground pin, shuttered sockets, shrouded pins, seems good. Reminds me of a stage pin connector, but not stuck in the 1930s lol. Europlug compatible, which is nice. The problem still stands with it's compatibility with type E and F that won't get a ground connection, but yeah I can see how this is a good choice.
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Re: Spiel about the "best" socket in the world (maybe not UK...) « Reply #8 on: February 09, 2026, 11:38:49 AM » Author: Medved
E plug can not fit into F (the grounding pin is in the way) and vice versa, F-only plug can not fit into E socket (the ridges on the edge and the grounding contacts are in the way of the round plug shape).
Only the combined E+F plug (virtually the only one produced for class I devices for continental Europe market since way before 90's) can fit into both, but then it receives the PE connection in both E and F sockets properly.

For the assumption of polarity: Yes the standard may state that the N needs to be isolated the same way as Live, but people are often forgetting that and tend to wrongly assume the N as "safe to touch".
With nonpolarized plugs/sockets it is clear from the start there is no guarantee which one would be live, so people are really careful and treat both properly.
Of course assume people who know at least some basics what the electricity is. If someone has really no idea at all, then nothing can save them if they start to poke inside...
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Re: Spiel about the "best" socket in the world (maybe not UK...) « Reply #9 on: February 10, 2026, 07:33:46 AM » Author: AsXSn
In my opinion French/Polish type E is also a very good standard, it is polarised unilike Schuko type F, most factory made cords with the molden plugs in E standard and unischuko (E/F compatible) has basically live wired to the pin on the right looking at the plug back. So plugging appliance to E type socket wired in the right way with phase on the right may guarante device will receive live on the correct wire, it sometimes matter if it is a portable lamp where switch cut only live, and in some switching power supplies where live part is fused by interior fuse, in case of power supplies in case of the fault when short circuit appears from the live part to the grounded part, inside fuse on the live will blew up without tripping main MCB in the panel (RCD sometimes couldn't react if type AC is used and short circuit will be caused under the bridge recifier from the DC side) and it can limit consequences of it to only blown interior fuse without worse damages.
Worse if that appliance will be plugged into socket with reversed phase and neutral, in case of failure (short between energized part inside and grounded chassis) fuse installed inside wouldn't pop because it fusing neutral in this case.

Our standard has sadly small disadvantage talking about polarity, because at least here in Poland we use double sockets sometimes where upper one is mirrored lower one, so type E plug will be reversed in upper one.
Also most electricians has strange practica to putting phase on the left from the 60-70's times when we wanted made our version of type E socket with reversed grounding prong, it was on the bottom unlike normal type E, but this idea was thrown away in the 80's.
Our electrical code generally don't determine live wire position in the outlet, I don't know what with rest Central European countries like Czechia and Slovakia which uses same standard as us, but I heard there also phase on the left was common
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Re: Spiel about the "best" socket in the world (maybe not UK...) « Reply #10 on: February 10, 2026, 08:52:59 AM » Author: Medved
Well most E sockets are normally wired with the phase on the left (assuming you are looking at the socket and the grounding pin is at the top), that is how the common sockets are labeled and how the premade mains cords are wired (brown wire goes to the left, blue to the right pin, again looking towards the socket, so from behind the plug, with the PE at the top).
 
The fuses in PSU's are not supposed to protect against shorts to ground, they are only supposed to protect against L-N overcurrents, so broken functional components (transistors, diodes,...), so it should won't matter whether they are in L or N.

So there is really a mess, no guarantee where the L and where the N would be, so it should be really treated as it could be either way.
The fact the plug can be inserted just one way is more dangerously misleading aspect than anything common with real safety at all.
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Re: Spiel about the "best" socket in the world (maybe not UK...) « Reply #11 on: February 12, 2026, 12:13:30 AM » Author: Michael
For those who are interested… Here is the info about our type J system.
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Re: Spiel about the "best" socket in the world (maybe not UK...) « Reply #12 on: February 12, 2026, 03:55:48 AM » Author: Ash
I have read some more through the discussion and here are some isolated replies to some things



BS546, re-rated to 16A, without shutters is used in Israel for high power appliances, which draw really near full 16A. This is the case with 3+hp air conditioners, so it is commonly referred to as "aircon plug"

All air cons sold/installed nowadays, and most older ones still in use are permanently installed, so there is a dedicated socket installed for it, and the unit permanently plugged in (unless unplugged for maintenance)

Big units of 3hp+ use BS546 on a dedicated 16A circuit, while 2..2.5hp and lower use standard SI32 (Type H) and not always a dedicated circuit. Many small units nowadays draw on the order of 3A so don't demand much from the installation

Compatibility with other appliances is non issue (you don't want to plug a 3hp aircon to circuits that have other loads on them as it'll trip anyway)



The plug size of BS1363 is not just result of the existence of the fuse. It's just a design thing. BS546 was designed before WW2, before all the copper shortage that led to BS1363, no fuse, almost same shape and size

It would be possible to make a plug not much different from the French (due to absence of external shaped guides, there is a little more free space inside than in Schuko), with just enough space inside to install the same BS1362 fuse

The plug size does not have to withstand 32A if the overload protection is provided by the fuse. The only remaining consideration is energy released in case of a short circuit (which is higher on a circuit made for 32A and with 32A breakers), but this probably wasn't even a consideration back in the day when the standard was designed

The Brits did manufacture other designs of fused plugs, in one of them the fuse was being itself one of the pins, so the plug could be about the same size as the smaller ones of the BS546 variants. The design failed because the fuse was easily getting broken off the plug and remaining stuck (live) in the socket hole



With the flat blades of Australia/China plugs, im thinking how much of the pin metal thickness is reduced to make room for the shroud

I expect that it does make the pins easier to bend/break

I think it also greatly reduces the plug's ability to withstand slight overheating from mild bad conections and overloads

The relatively huge cross section of the plug pins is not needed electrically to carry the rated current (14awg wire can carry the same current....). Electrical connections other than "user" plugs and sockets, like internal interconnects of electrical assemblies often push as much as 50A or higher into similar size pins

The differene is, that there the pins are assumed to be always in good condition, not oxidized, with all conductors properly connected, and those connectors are not rated anywhere near the number of plug/unplug cycles that "user" plugs are

But the pin size makes for a good heat conductor, to very effectively draw heat away from the relatively small point of contact where the heat originates. The heat dissipated from the entire surface of the pin (including the parts further away from the contact) and even "pushed" somewhat into the wires, results in much lower temperatures for the same electrical losses

The "neck" created in the metal by the shroud in the Aus/CN plug creates a higher thermal resistance, which reduces the pin area available to dissipate the heat effectively



Schuko/French sockets don't need shrouds on the pins, because the outer socket body is recessed and that acts as a single shroud over the entire connection. It is already closed when the pins make contact

Israeli sockets which i have seen (which survived to my time) originated from designs of just 2 companies, one of which used to make recessed sockets from the start (~1950s is the oldest i seen), the other didn't. (Eventually in the 90s that design was modded to add the recess too). Everyone else copied from those two and later from each other. The plugs are not shrouded, the existence of old sockets is not considered an issue

Europlugs need the shrouds because the plugs are smaller than the recessed face of many other standards they are meant to be compatible with Schuko/French/SI32 so they make the socket's recess ineffective, and are meant to be compatible with Swiss and Italian designs which do require shrouds on the plug anyway. However, they are only rated for 2.5A, so the thermal effects are not significant


Breaker interruption capability

Typical connection sizes in houses :

US :
2x120V 100A = 24kW
2x120V 200A = 48kW

Israel (~1970s aprtment) :
1x230V 25A = 5.7kW

Israel (~1970s private house or 1990s) :
1x230V 40A = 9.2kW
3x230V 25A = 17.2kW

Israel (today) :
3x230V 25A = 17.2kW
3x230V 40A = 27.6kW

The short circuit current is proportional to the rated current, so you can see where it is going

The breakers also have different ratings to different standards :

The 6kA mentioned is according to IEC 60898, which is for "home" use. This assumes a general user without better knowledge of electricity, less maintenance, etc

The same breakers (except some very cost cut-down versions) are normally rated also to IEC 60947 for "industrial" use. This assumes qualified oversight over its use and proper maintenance, including replacing the breaker when required. Under it they can be rated to 10kA, used at higher ambient temperatures than allowed by IEC 60898, and so on

The FAZ6 breaker i brought as example is what i normally use (where 6kA is adequate). It is the "basic" version of FAZ, from Klockner Moeller (acquired by Eaton), the actual design of the breaker originally came from F&G

See in the same link page 149 for the general ratings of FAZ6 and page 102 for FAZ



Most appliances here have the proper SI32 plugs, but when something has a Schuko plug it is indeed common to see it plugged into SI32 socket, working without a ground

The original SI32 design had differently shaped pins (flat, but not as flat as US style, but like Schuko pins somewhat milled down on 2 sides. The other sides still remaining round shape from the initial round pin), and the sockets would not allow inserting a Schuko or French plug with thick round pins. The holes were sufficient to allow inserting a Type C plug (which has a little narrower pins), with which SI32 had been compatible by design

The users would then just drill the holes a little bigger and plug it in anyway, so it didnt achieve anything

In the early 2000s the final stage of SI32 transition to simple round pins came out, and as a side effect it became possible to insert the European plugs unmodified



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Re: Spiel about the "best" socket in the world (maybe not UK...) « Reply #13 on: February 12, 2026, 09:32:08 AM » Author: Multisubject
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The Brits did manufacture other designs of fused plugs, in one of them the fuse was being itself one of the pins, so the plug could be about the same size as the smaller ones of the BS546 variants. The design failed because the fuse was easily getting broken off the plug and remaining stuck (live) in the socket hole
I have seen pictures of those! They are super cool. I think that with modern materials (maybe using some sort of high temp FRP instead of ceramic) the fuse pin could be made practical, but it's way too late now. I would love to see this kind of design reincarnated but we have too many plug designs already, so whatever.

Interesting wattage comparison of different homes around the world, I didn't realize that modern 200A homes were so much more power hungry than others around the world. Also, homes in Israel have three phase? Man, that must be nice!
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Re: Spiel about the "best" socket in the world (maybe not UK...) « Reply #14 on: February 12, 2026, 11:23:32 AM » Author: AsXSn
Here also three phase residential services are common, most houses since 70's usually getting it, basic electrical service power is around 17kW (3x25A) limited usually by a power limiter like MCB without short circuit electromagnetic interruptor in some cases or standard type C MCBs talking about modern meter cabinets, but residential can get also 3x40A service or higher 3x50 which gives around 30kW.
But some apartments in apartment blocks still works on single phase, usually max 25A (older ones)
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