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Light bulb companies are making LED light bulbs with lower lifespans « on: June 20, 2026, 09:53:54 PM » Author: Lightingeye60
I notice that more companies are now making budget LED bulbs with only a life of 3,500 hours that produce only 600 to 700 lumens. I know GE and Sylvania both have their versions, I believe Sylvania calls theirs the “Everyday LED” or something. GE sells them in incandescent style boxes. Walmart has “5 year” bulbs under their house brand.

What’s the point of buying an LED if it barely lasts as long as an incandescent bulb? I really don’t understand. I’m pretty sure Philips will start making one too.

I know some utilitech bulbs had lifespans as little as 2,000 hours, and for a while it stopped but now they seem to be making LEDs with really short lifespans again.

Will LED bulb lifespans eventually decrease to 1,000 hours? Why do LED bulbs with lifespans <15000 hours even exist?
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Re: Light bulb companies are making LED light bulbs with lower lifespans « Reply #1 on: June 21, 2026, 05:33:57 PM » Author: Omnilight37
I've noticed with newer LED bulb packs, there's sporadically that one bulb that fuses within the first 6 months. They've seriously sacrificed quality for mass production.
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Re: Light bulb companies are making LED light bulbs with lower lifespans « Reply #2 on: June 22, 2026, 02:12:10 AM » Author: Medved
Problem is with the electrolytic capacitors needed to stop bulbs from flickering.
These need to rely on a perfect seal between aluminum cap and lead wires, while still allow excessive pressure to vent. Making that to last means either keeping it cool enough (then forget any "incandescent" shaped products with any power above 4W), make the ballast box big enough to fit larger size so at least voltage wise it is not driven on its edge (forget incandescent replacement products) or be very expensive (again forget products marketed as incandescent replacements), or do not use it at all and accept the 100/120Hz flicker (and most people here will be whining about that all day long :-D ).
If you look on most electrolytic capacitor datasheets, they are rated between 1000..3000hours at the rated voltage and temperature. Very few are rated above that and usually are way bigger and have restricted temperature rating.
The higher lifetime could be gained to operating them a lower stress (mainly internal temperature and voltage), but that makes them bigger components for the task (in facts most "long life" electrolytic capacitors are just that - constructed for significantly higher temperature and voltage for the label rating), so if a physical form factor does not allow anything than driving them to the edge, the result can not be any other.

What I blame for this situation are mainly the morons who are permanently whining about "LED flicker" when the same flicker on HID or fluorescent was OK for them. Because it is these people, who created rather artificial market (and/or regulatory) force to require all LEDs to be completely flicker free, forcing makers to use such problematic short living components.

And (what I fully support), latest regulatory pressure demands makers to be very honest about the reliability ratings. Rating for "most optimum environment" isn't enough anymore, real life use performance is. So to some big extend the lamps themselve did not change, they last the same as they did even when they were bearing "24000+" ratings and then dying after two years, what did changed is the way how their performance is presented in the numbers on the box (now the same example should post the rating that really leads to those two years).
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Re: Light bulb companies are making LED light bulbs with lower lifespans « Reply #3 on: June 22, 2026, 05:46:01 PM » Author: James
The main point of short life LEDs vs incandescents is that they are considerably more efficient.  The customer has to buy not only the lamp but also the electricity to run it, and the electricity is by far the most expensive part.  So it still makes sense to produce and buy the LEDs even if they may only last 1000 hours.

In the beginning LED lamps were expensive, and in return for that high price there was a certain expectation that they should therefore last longer.  Customers genuinely preferred to buy long-life lamps, thinking they were getting more value.  Actually that was a false economy.  LED efficacy began to increase so rapidly that actually it made more sense to throw away surviving LED lamps made a year or two earlier, and invest in newer and more efficient models that would quickly pay back their own cost due to increased energy savings.  These days things have stabilised rather more and the efficacy is no longer increasing so rapidly - indeed in many cases we see a return to lower efficacy designs, because they are commercially more viable.  The same trend is happening with life.  LED lamps became so cheap that for all applications where maintenance is cheap (i.e. home lighting or in small businesses where an electrician does not have to be called out to replace them), it is actually more sensible to invest in a low cost LED lamp and replace it more frequently.  The only real downside is the vast quantity of E-waste now being produced by the lighting industry.  Governments pushed LEDification in the false hope that due to the long life there would be a reduction in the quantity of waste from the lighting industry - but actually it seems this has gone up by about a factor 4!  In particular from the fixture industry where entire luminaires are now being replaced and thrown away far more frequently than at any time in history during the era of traditional lamps.

Incidentally, the E-cap issue also now seems to have been pretty much solved, due to the almost complete elimination of capacitors.  The linear drivers employed in modern LED lamps typically consist of only one semiconductor, two or three resistors, and a fuse.   Occasionally also with a surge arrestor, but even that is increasingly being dropped.  The primary cause of LED lamp failure today seems to be the resistors and semiconductors, which are necessarily overloaded so as to further minimise costs.
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Re: Light bulb companies are making LED light bulbs with lower lifespans « Reply #4 on: June 23, 2026, 02:13:54 AM » Author: Medved

Without ecap the LED does flicker at 100/120Hz and that causes bad press, even when using it means way worse reliability and higher cost (so you have to cut costs more aggressively elsewhere to compensate). I know with the exception of some special uses with rotary machinery such flicker has no effect on real value and can be detected only if you explicitly test for it, but it can be tested by anyone (just shake an open hand in front of it and you can see the strobo effect if you are really looking for it) and so it does create bad reviews, mainly from someone who really want to "prove" the "incandescent superiority" so are nitpicking on something that has no real impact.
And that is a big marketing headache for producers, so much so many of them gave up and create in reality inferior product (short life, less fitting,...) just to stop those reviews. And this problem is by far not limited to lighting industry, it is plaguing many others (auto industry, home appliances,...).

Dunno whether someone was able to "break the ice", but mainly in the US market I have very strong doubt.
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Re: Light bulb companies are making LED light bulbs with lower lifespans « Reply #5 on: June 27, 2026, 11:53:36 AM » Author: Lipstickquid
There are also regulations on how much flicker and stroboscopic effect is allowable since they can cause eyestrain and headaches.

There are also regulations in some places regarding HEVL(blue light hazard) with LEDs.

And ofc its not as straightforward as LED good incandescent bad or vice versa. There are tradeoffs with both.

99% or more of WLEDs are blue pump which completely lack the violet part of the spectrum. Meaning even high CRI blue pumps wont make many white materials like paper or fabric fluoresce like incandescent bulbs, real daylight or violet pump LEDs will. That's also true of colors with optical brightening agents which are common.

Depending on the CCT of blue pump WLED, you'll get a yellow wash or a blue wash instead of crisp whites.

And ofc better phosphors in inherently reduce the amount of light coming from the pump, and more conversion into desireable long wavelenghts for correct color rendering means lower luminous efficacy.

With respect to flicker, Philips, Yuji, Waveform, Sunsy, and some others make LEDs that have essentially zero flicker or flicker less than incandescent. Philips somehow manages to sell 95 CRI ~80 R9, flicker free, warm dimming, all glass filament style blue pumps for $3.50 a pop with about 100 lumens per watt. So cheap and good can coexist. The only thing lacking is the violet part so they look muted compared to incan.

I think my personal ideal LED would be a violet pump triphosphor >95 CRI with a near IR boost like Yuji Sunwave with IR. But im not spending $75 on an LED when i can just use my incandescents and get 100 CRI with tons of near IR. Most violet pumps are suitably high CRI and R9 like 95 95 but they're still $25 each, no warm dimming and they're all snow cones. I personally use a mix of LEDs and incan bulbs.
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Re: Light bulb companies are making LED light bulbs with lower lifespans « Reply #6 on: June 27, 2026, 12:11:29 PM » Author: dor123
There are LED fixtures and LED lamps that have a very strong mains frequency flicker, which is much stronger than that of fluorescent and HID lamps.
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Re: Light bulb companies are making LED light bulbs with lower lifespans « Reply #7 on: June 27, 2026, 12:47:31 PM » Author: RRK
@James  Unfortunately, you can not eliminate an energy storage element from AC LED driver. Just a basic energy conservation law - you need to continue to power LEDs somehow even when line voltage crosses zero. Well, until someone invents a long-afterglow LED phosphor! )

@Medved  Today, impressive name branded capacitors rated 4000 hours @135C temperature are available. You just won't meet them in cheapo lamps ))



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Re: Light bulb companies are making LED light bulbs with lower lifespans « Reply #8 on: June 27, 2026, 01:21:22 PM » Author: Laurens
Not completely true, RRK, depending on the construction of the lamp.

If you have 5 leds in series, you end up with a voltage drop of 20v. With a fast enough, wide voltage input range current regulator this means you can keep current constant over a huge part of the sine wave. I'm not sure if this kind of circuit is already in common use, but afaik the system does exist.

The capacitors needed can then be SMD models.
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Re: Light bulb companies are making LED light bulbs with lower lifespans « Reply #9 on: June 27, 2026, 02:59:52 PM » Author: RRK
Possible only with a switching regulator. Switching regulator can end up even stepping up line voltage (buck-boost circuit). Power factor will be rather bad. James mentioned a linear circuit.
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Re: Light bulb companies are making LED light bulbs with lower lifespans « Reply #10 on: July 10, 2026, 04:07:13 AM » Author: Medved

@Medved  Today, impressive name branded capacitors rated 4000 hours @135C temperature are available. You just won't meet them in cheapo lamps ))

Well that is the point, they are expensive. So you are then forced to cut corners elsewhere way more aggressively, so the reliability will suffer from there. Plus 4k hour is quite short for a light source these days, it means you have to restrict the capacitor core temperature to something below 100degC to get something usable (and you can not spend all the lifetime budget onjust one component, that would require the rest to have infinite MTBF in order for the whole lamp to meet the lifetime requirement). An there is another aspect: These are rather large components, so not that much suitable to "incendescent retrofit" format.



There are tricks to reduce the flicker when you want to avoid the electrolytic even without going boost SMPS. All revolves about a fact that the most apparent flicker is when you get sharp narrow pulses with long gaps, when the frequency is something you can not change.
Simplest circuit is to use lower LED drop and burn higher voltage on the regulator. But that is the lossiest one. But for low power it is acceptable (the extra heat is not that much), often it was the easiest way to use more expensive higher efficacy LEDs and stay with this ballast, the LEDs brought 2x improvement, while such ballast loses just about 20..30%, so you still gain while staying on budget.

Other option, appearing about 10 years ago, was to split the LEDs into sections and add switching transistors/diodes to dynamically either reconnect parallel/series, or just bypass a section when the instant mains voltage don't give enough room for the regulator to work. That way you get fluctuating light over the mains cycle, but when the gaps are not really dark, the flicker is not that obtrusive anymore.
A variant is, when you switch off the current when the voltage drop across the regulator becomes too high (e.g. with a two section LED string switched series/parallel the sinewave is in the part where the voltage is nearly double of a parallel mode, but not enough yet to let them operate in series). The drawback is way higher mains harmonic content, so could hit a regulation limit.
But generally these schemes vanished, as it require quite complex LED arrangement and very limited flexibility in that with a single ballast model.

Then there is the "good old buck SMPS". Simple, but needs special controller regulation scheme to manage both flicker, as well as the mains harmonics. But because it keeps the LED interface very simple, it becomes so u iversal by itself that it made sense to integrate those functions into dedicated ICs. None of the wiring and just very few components need to be modified to suit completely different spec LED string or optimization target. The whole circuit just needs few ceramic capacitors as HF filter, the mains rectifier, a fuse, this chip (maybe separate power transistor for higher power ballasts) and one resistor to program the average LED current, and it works with LED string from few 10'sV (when you preffer low flicker over losses) till some 200V (when you preffer low losses or high power with really small size).

Easiest to control circuit is a flyback SMPS (in DCM when you keep duty cycle constant ovsr time, you get nearly perfect power factor), but these need almost double voltage rated switches, which makes them not as attractive (voltage rating makes the transistors expensive,mainly when they need to be integrated on a monolithic die with the controller). Plus it needs bulkier coil, also an expense. But it can be inherently made to work with transformer instead of the simple inductor, so you get galvanic isolation of the LEDs from mains.
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Re: Light bulb companies are making LED light bulbs with lower lifespans « Reply #11 on: July 11, 2026, 11:40:10 PM » Author: lightsofpahrump
imho blue light hazard is fake. It was created by some marketing department somewhere, I think, probably to sell blue blockers.
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