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Congress overturns incandescent light bulb ban « on: December 16, 2011, 03:48:56 PM » Author: DieselNut
Well, my fellow Americans, we can thank our Republican representatives in the House for this legislation. 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/16/congress-overturns-incandescent-light-bulb-ban/
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Re: Congress overturns incandescent light bulb ban « Reply #1 on: December 16, 2011, 04:17:56 PM » Author: paintballer22
Can they over turn the  :mv: ban too?
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Re: Congress overturns incandescent light bulb ban « Reply #2 on: December 16, 2011, 04:30:08 PM » Author: Medved
Can they over turn the  :mv: ban too?

I doubt. Because with the incandescents hey didn't shoot down directly the 2007 regulations, but they prohibit spending any money on the required standardization (but what effectively kill the incandescent ban). As with MV the standardization is already done, so it won't be affected...
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Re: Congress overturns incandescent light bulb ban « Reply #3 on: December 16, 2011, 04:36:24 PM » Author: paintballer22
What about T12s?
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Re: Congress overturns incandescent light bulb ban « Reply #4 on: December 16, 2011, 04:39:30 PM » Author: magslight
Re: Congress overturns incandescent light bulb ban

W O W !
Really?!?
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Re: Congress overturns incandescent light bulb ban « Reply #5 on: December 17, 2011, 12:04:47 AM » Author: Patrick
It looks like this bill effectively postpones the standards affecting 100W bulbs until October.  Although it could be repealed altogether, any legislation to do so would be separate from this bill.  It will be interesting to see how manufacturers respond.  I wouldn't be surprised if major manufactures choose to voluntarily discontinue production by January 1st regardless.  It's very possible that the only way to get the bulbs afterward will be from NOS or by special ordering imports. 

I would like to see the linear fluorescent standards revised or postponed.  Given the recent increase in the price of rare earth metal, there are sound economic reasons to do so.  Plus, I suspect that rushed conversions will result in lower energy savings and environmental consequences, such as improper disposal of old lamps and ballasts, that would be less likely to occur with voluntary upgrades.
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Re: Congress overturns incandescent light bulb ban « Reply #6 on: December 17, 2011, 12:18:39 AM » Author: static1701
That is Great news!!!
I was in  a walmart this evening and they had Phillips 16 pack of soft white 100 watt bulbs.
Since it was walmart I could not find a price or a working price scanner so I gave up. (Don't know why I even bother with them) But the this is a new product for my area.

You know, the statement in that article "Consumers should drive the marketplace, not the government.” is the truth. I don't need government telling me what to do. They already regulate damn near everything.

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Re: Congress overturns incandescent light bulb ban « Reply #7 on: December 17, 2011, 11:32:36 AM » Author: DieselNut
That is Great news!!!
I was in  a walmart this evening and they had Phillips 16 pack of soft white 100 watt bulbs.
Since it was walmart I could not find a price or a working price scanner so I gave up. (Don't know why I even bother with them) But the this is a new product for my area.

You know, the statement in that article "Consumers should drive the marketplace, not the government.” is the truth. I don't need government telling me what to do. They already regulate damn near everything.

Static
your last paragraph is very well stated sir!
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Re: Congress overturns incandescent light bulb ban « Reply #8 on: December 19, 2011, 11:58:11 AM » Author: funkybulb
at least that mean. we can get mexican GE bulbs other inports. the harm is already done for those who stocked up
and wont be buying bulbs for years. what make it even slower bulb sales. if the total ban restriction removed.
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Re: Congress overturns incandescent light bulb ban « Reply #9 on: December 19, 2011, 05:50:04 PM » Author: Medved
In any way, I'm convinced, then the incandescents would go away anyway naturally.
But I want this happen only because customers loose interest, not because of some stupid bans!
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Re: Congress overturns incandescent light bulb ban « Reply #10 on: December 21, 2011, 07:53:27 PM » Author: nogden
I think of all the USA-based companies, Sylvania will probably stay in the incandescent lamp market the longest. And people will keep buying incandescents for a long time yet, and as long as there is a demand, someone will make them.

Still, I am far more concerned about the upcoming T12 and incandescent reflector lamp (IRL) standards. Both will drive up costs of lamps.
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Re: Congress overturns incandescent light bulb ban « Reply #11 on: December 29, 2011, 09:00:20 AM » Author: dor123
In Israel, the incandescent ban is more severe: It bans BOTH incandescents and halogens over 60W, so several types of useful halogen fixtures will become useless or obsolete.
The most sensitive halogen fixtures that will be a victim to the israeli ban, is the motion detector operated security floodlights, which MUST be operated with 150-500W R7s double ended halogen lamp only, as this is the only lamp from the two other option that can withstand frequent on/off switching and short operation periods: R7s CFL retrofits and double ended MH lamps, which will be distroyed or willn't function if operated by a motion detectors for halogen and incandescent lamps.
As for regular halogen floodlights, the only cheap alternative are the R7s retrofit CFLs. They will degrade the performance of the halogen floodlight while cause it to diffuse its light to all directions, because of the large effective size of the light source.
These are the only fixtures that might be affected by the israeli ban. However they are very important fixtures.
So the government in Israel could instead, ban the inefficient halogen fixtures instead (For example: the 200-300W halogen fixtures for salons that pointing and throwing up to the ceiling and that are connected usually to a dimmer, as these fixture themselves don't utilize the higher efficiency of halogen over incandescent, as they produces less light than a 100W GLS lamp while uses up to 300W halogen lamps).
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Re: Congress overturns incandescent light bulb ban « Reply #12 on: December 29, 2011, 12:41:25 PM » Author: Ash
Many more fixtures will be affected, which is unlimited to :

Those floodlights

Stage floodlights

Agriculture fixtures (100-200W GLS) which actually make use of the heat of the lamps

If no exceptions are provided (and out politicians might very well not think of that), no lamps for auto headlights (60+55W 2 filament lamp ie 115W total), traffic lights (E27 long life incandescents)

Food display lamps (again make use of the heat)



In a talk with a local electrician, he was called to change the lights in a villa with few tens of recessed 150W halogen fixtures all around the garden (villa ? sounds like a big mansion to me) where the fixture were cast into the concrete walls during construction. He had to blow holes in the reinforced concrete walls to install new recessed fixtures which are larger (did not ask him what new fixtures, but i think they might be E27 CFLs in tiny enclosed fixtures)
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Re: Congress overturns incandescent light bulb ban « Reply #13 on: December 29, 2011, 12:56:52 PM » Author: dor123
Ash: Heat lamps and automotive lamps wouldn't be affected.
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Re: Congress overturns incandescent light bulb ban « Reply #14 on: December 29, 2011, 04:43:50 PM » Author: Medved
@dor123: I don't know, how in Israel, but here many farming equipment (mainly breeding boxes for birds, but even for small mammals) were designed to use either regular GLS or linear "floodlight" halogen incandescent lamps as heaters, simply because it was the easiest and cheapest solution (most of this equipment was made in their own local machinery maintenance shops). But usually they were underdriven in the steady state, so the lamps last there quite long (the thermal regulation is usually designed around some phase-cut type regulator, while the installed power was usually about twice the power required to maintain the temperature after the system fully warmed up).
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