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Re: Philips to discontinue production of SOX (Low Pressure Sodium) lamps in 2020 « Reply #15 on: November 13, 2017, 04:20:12 AM » Author: Medved
The main reason for going away from SOX is, no one is buying them anymore in quantities and for a prices ensuring profitability of that business. The market is just plains shrinking way too much.
And don't expect your production to be viable either: The machinery needs quite some fixed expenses to keep in working condition (part of that is just the production floor space, so even when the machinery itself would be for free), so you need certain production volume to be really sold to customers, otherwise the products would have to be really crazy expensive.
With that, I don't think Philips will ever care, I guess they will happily sell you the factory for a scrap metal price, but then you will be responsible for paying all the related running bills...
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Re: Philips to discontinue production of SOX (Low Pressure Sodium) lamps in 2020 « Reply #16 on: November 13, 2017, 05:40:06 AM » Author: 589
Yea and it is my understanding that it's a pretty highly skilled trade as well. Sucks for the folks in that factory that may get laid off, it makes me sad to see manufacturing jobs leave places like the UK.
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Re: Philips to discontinue production of SOX (Low Pressure Sodium) lamps in 2020 « Reply #17 on: November 13, 2017, 05:59:34 AM » Author: Lodge
Yea and it is my understanding that it's a pretty highly skilled trade as well. Sucks for the folks in that factory that may get laid off, it makes me sad to see manufacturing jobs leave places like the UK.

From my understanding the manufacture of a SOX is not fully machine made, so yes those people would be important and while I'm sure they make it look easy I bet they have a good number of years behind them to make it look easy, someone new will more then likely end up with lots of questionable tubes before producing a high quality product...
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Re: Philips to discontinue production of SOX (Low Pressure Sodium) lamps in 2020 « Reply #18 on: November 13, 2017, 09:21:16 AM » Author: Roi_hartmann
It would be interesting to see a video about lps manufacturing. I wonder has there ever been one?
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Re: Philips to discontinue production of SOX (Low Pressure Sodium) lamps in 2020 « Reply #19 on: November 13, 2017, 09:42:10 AM » Author: Rommie
Personally, I won't be missing sox. I hated how it made everything looking yellow and black.

You are in a very small minority here, my friend  :(
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Re: Philips to discontinue production of SOX (Low Pressure Sodium) lamps in 2020 « Reply #20 on: November 13, 2017, 09:45:10 AM » Author: Rommie
I think the only place they are made currently is by Philips Lighting at Hamilton in Scotland

Hamilton isn't all that far from here, maybe a couple of hours or so given good roads. I would love to tour the place, anyone know if it could be done..? Anyone got any inside contacts..?  :)
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Re: Philips to discontinue production of SOX (Low Pressure Sodium) lamps in 2020 « Reply #21 on: November 13, 2017, 10:02:51 AM » Author: Roi_hartmann
Hamilton isn't all that far from here, maybe a couple of hours or so given good roads. I would love to tour the place, anyone know if it could be done..? Anyone got any inside contacts..?  :)
UK folks should really try to organize visit there. Like some wine drinkers tours vine yards lighting enthusiast should tour lamp factories. Someone should try to contact there and ask about it. Tell them that you are interested about lighting and maybe something like how major thing lps was on it's days and you would like to see the manufacturing before it's gone.
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Re: Philips to discontinue production of SOX (Low Pressure Sodium) lamps in 2020 « Reply #22 on: November 13, 2017, 10:52:47 AM » Author: Rommie
UK folks should really try to organize visit there. Like some wine drinkers tours vine yards lighting enthusiast should tour lamp factories. Someone should try to contact there and ask about it. Tell them that you are interested about lighting and maybe something like how major thing lps was on it's days and you would like to see the manufacturing before it's gone.

I agree, I wonder if someone such as James knows anyone there..? I'd be willing to make the initial contact.
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Re: Philips to discontinue production of SOX (Low Pressure Sodium) lamps in 2020 « Reply #23 on: November 13, 2017, 12:53:46 PM » Author: Lodge
I agree, I wonder if someone such as James knows anyone there..? I'd be willing to make the initial contact.

If someone like James has a contact that would be great, but if not I'd be willing to email the CEO of Philips (it won't be the first time) and ask him directly, now while I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to attend since it's on the other side of the planet from me I would love to see a video of them being made even if it is shot on a cell phone video camera and that would be enough for me to make a contact at Philips and attempt to make it happen... And if I have to ask the CEO, I'll ask for them to donate one of the last production lamps as well to someone like James so it can be preserved...   

While we are on the subject of LPS lamps and there disappearance I'll ask would anyone be willing to organize or a be interested in the idea of a group buy of SOX lamps or be willing to buy a few cheaper lights to horde away from a group buy? because to my understanding and as an example the 18 watt SOX lamps in quantity are only worth like $10 to $15 USD each, And while I'm not saying this will happen I just figured I'd post it and see if anyone is interested..  And I do see this idea happening on other sites dealing with lasers and such with a fair bit of good success..  
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Re: Philips to discontinue production of SOX (Low Pressure Sodium) lamps in 2020 « Reply #24 on: November 13, 2017, 03:33:53 PM » Author: Rommie
While we're on the subject of SOX lamps, another question has occurred to me.

Does anyone know why the normal domestic (for the UK, at least) 2-pin bayonet cap was adopted for the low pressure sodium lamp..?

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Re: Philips to discontinue production of SOX (Low Pressure Sodium) lamps in 2020 « Reply #25 on: November 13, 2017, 04:07:44 PM » Author: nicksfans
I'm not surprised but I am saddened.
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Re: Philips to discontinue production of SOX (Low Pressure Sodium) lamps in 2020 « Reply #26 on: November 13, 2017, 05:10:48 PM » Author: Lumex120
To everyone wondering why some people (like me) dislike LEDs, let me just say that hearing news like this doesn't exactly help.
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Re: Philips to discontinue production of SOX (Low Pressure Sodium) lamps in 2020 « Reply #27 on: November 13, 2017, 06:40:12 PM » Author: FGS
To everyone wondering why some people (like me) dislike LEDs, let me just say that hearing news like this doesn't exactly help.

I don't think LEDs are at fault 100% in killing LPS. I remember looking up them in 2003~04. They were expensive then. They're still expensive now. And LEDs weren't really mainstream for general lighting in 2003~04 only flashlights.
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Re: Philips to discontinue production of SOX (Low Pressure Sodium) lamps in 2020 « Reply #28 on: November 13, 2017, 11:40:57 PM » Author: 589
If someone like James has a contact that would be great, but if not I'd be willing to email the CEO of Philips (it won't be the first time) and ask him directly, now while I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to attend since it's on the other side of the planet from me I would love to see a video of them being made even if it is shot on a cell phone video camera and that would be enough for me to make a contact at Philips and attempt to make it happen... And if I have to ask the CEO, I'll ask for them to donate one of the last production lamps as well to someone like James so it can be preserved...   

While we are on the subject of LPS lamps and there disappearance I'll ask would anyone be willing to organize or a be interested in the idea of a group buy of SOX lamps or be willing to buy a few cheaper lights to horde away from a group buy? because to my understanding and as an example the 18 watt SOX lamps in quantity are only worth like $10 to $15 USD each, And while I'm not saying this will happen I just figured I'd post it and see if anyone is interested..  And I do see this idea happening on other sites dealing with lasers and such with a fair bit of good success..  

I agree wholeheartedly. 

I also would definitely be interested in buying 10x 18w for that price, I run those. Same for 26/35w, I run all of them on fulhams! The higher wattages aren't as practical to run daily as not many fixtures fit them that I'd be willing to let them take the abuse of the hot southern climate and bugs. Plus 18w and 35w are plenty bright as they are for general d2d duty area lighting and easily retrofitted into a cheap bucket light with a Fulham ballast.
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Re: Philips to discontinue production of SOX (Low Pressure Sodium) lamps in 2020 « Reply #29 on: November 14, 2017, 01:36:59 PM » Author: Ash
The main reason for going away from SOX is, no one is buying them anymore in quantities and for a prices ensuring profitability of that business. The market is just plains shrinking way too much.
And don't expect your production to be viable either: The machinery needs quite some fixed expenses to keep in working condition (part of that is just the production floor space, so even when the machinery itself would be for free), so you need certain production volume to be really sold to customers, otherwise the products would have to be really crazy expensive.
With that, I don't think Philips will ever care, I guess they will happily sell you the factory for a scrap metal price, but then you will be responsible for paying all the related running bills...


Members here are happily spending $ on snatching old lamps off Ebay. I think it may be entirely possible that they put some more money instead into buying the machinery and renting the floor space - It may not be all that much if shared between bigger number of people...

The profit from this may be negative, but such project would be about personal interest and not about profit
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