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Re: States fight Trump rollback of Obama lightbulb rules « Reply #30 on: June 08, 2019, 08:17:15 PM » Author: lightinglover8902
How is banning fossil fuels gonna cause job losses? Do solar, wind, and other green energy sources build, wire, and maintain themselves? Do those sources appear out of thin air without any factories and such? Is the beloved “clean” fossil fuels infinite and will never ever run out for centuries?

Banning them won’t mean job losses. Green energy sources will need to be build, wired up to utilities, and maintained/repaired as needed. For that, they’ll need people. Not to mention old fossil fuel sources needing to be decommissioned, dismantled, and site cleaned up so people can get parks and such in place.

For hardware for green energy sources we’d need factories to build them, hence the need for people. Not to mention transport to ship those parts to where they’re needed. Truckers are needed.

Fossil fuels like coal, oil, and gas are finite and they’ll run out sooner or later. The bigger the green energy source slice of the pie of all energy sources and the smaller the fossil fuel energy sources the better. The time fossil fuel will run out would be pushed up into the future, instead of 2030s, it’s possible it’ll be 2080s if not beyond.

Sun, wind, and so on are nearly infinite. We don’t need to worry about running out of them.

I rather live in a clean earth not a smoggy one. I want to leave this world cleaner than when I was born into. I’m sure many of you want the same. Leaving a clean world for our descendants not a ruined one. Wink

This is not liberal/conservative nor is it political. It’s called being caring for the one and only home Earth.

This might sound a bit off topic but..........

The main disadvantages of solar, wind, and hydroelectric power often sometimes "quit working". Sure it will never run out, but will often sometimes stop working. For solar, if its a cloudy day or a stormy day it will work a bit, but not a whole lot IF theres strong sunshine in place. Also another disadvantage is that the solar cells will be worned by the UV rays of the sunlight (unless if its a high performance solar panel). For wind power, the disadvantages is when theres no wind, and it won't move the turbine. However, hydroelectric power is a possibility, because of the "moving" water trough the generators, thus creating electricity...

Sorry if this got off topic......
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Re: States fight Trump rollback of Obama lightbulb rules « Reply #31 on: June 09, 2019, 04:45:49 AM » Author: FGS
This might sound a bit off topic but..........

The main disadvantages of solar, wind, and hydroelectric power often sometimes "quit working". Sure it will never run out, but will often sometimes stop working. For solar, if its a cloudy day or a stormy day it will work a bit, but not a whole lot IF theres strong sunshine in place. Also another disadvantage is that the solar cells will be worned by the UV rays of the sunlight (unless if its a high performance solar panel). For wind power, the disadvantages is when theres no wind, and it won't move the turbine. However, hydroelectric power is a possibility, because of the "moving" water trough the generators, thus creating electricity...

Sorry if this got off topic......

There are energy storage methods for times they’re not generated like nights and calm days. Battery banks for one. I think Tesla (the car brand) has one in California somewhere. I dunno if the tech is in use or it’s still in experiment stages, giant flywheels, molten salts, compressed air into the ground, and so on. Some of the ideas might seems too crazy right now but they have said the same for electric lighting back in 1800s. Ditto for powered flights.

You don’t put solar panels and wind turbines in one spot. You spread them out all over the country. All those unused roofs of houses, warehouses, and so on. Wind turbines mebbe they can be placed on the medians of major highways or whatever.

Panels being degraded by the sun? It’s where maintenance/repair come into play. Parts wear down. That’s way of life. More jobs for people anyway to keep making/recycling panels. No different from replacing furnace linings for fossil fuel power sources. Except mebbe cleaner as you’re outside in fresh air and not inside some hot furnace messing with parts (bricks mebbe for liners) full of carcinogenic chemicals in the air.
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Re: States fight Trump rollback of Obama lightbulb rules « Reply #32 on: June 09, 2019, 01:04:15 PM » Author: Patrick
I'm interested in finding out what we are likely to expect in 2020.  The article indicates this would be a rollback of "Obama-era standards."  That's important in that the general service lamp standards in effect today are "Bush-era."  Although Congress has relaxed enforcement of the "Bush-era" rules in the past, that action was largely symbolic and did not change the law.  There are still two provisions that are set to take effect on January 1, 2020.  One is the 45 lm/w requirement for all General Service Lamps.  There was some controversy regarding this provision in the past.  Apparently the Department of Energy allowed this 45 lm/w "backstop" requirement to be triggered as a result of their inaction.  My understanding was that there was still some question regarding the enforcement of this backstop requirement alone should the DOE not pass a specific rule in response.  NEMA as well as manufacturers preferred lamp-specific standards to be set rather than an across the board rather than a 45 lm/w for all lamps classified as GSLs.  Another key matter that the article touched on was the expansion of the definition of a GSL, which took place at the end of Obama's second term.  This would extend it to include 3-Way, rough service/vibration resistant, reflector lamps, and certain decorative shapes.  If included, these would also be subject to the 45 lm/w requirement, or whatever standards are enacted.

In short, if all of the pending standards are reverted, we will continue to be subject to the rules in place today in 2020 and beyond.  If all of the pending standards go into effect, the majority of the most common incandescent and halogen lamps still available will go by the wayside, though some specialty lamps such as appliance lamps, heat lamps, colored lamps, very low/high wattage lamps should remain.  It sounds like the matter of the Obama expansion is still unsettled.  At one time there was uncertainly over the backstop as well as the January 1, 2020 date, and I don't know how settled either of those are at this point.
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Re: States fight Trump rollback of Obama lightbulb rules « Reply #33 on: June 09, 2019, 09:20:44 PM » Author: ace100w120v
They are actually going to reverse this? I'm a little surprised.  I'm not against it, but I think most likely LED, etc is here to stay.  Look at how CFLs were rendered obsolete on their own.  With that said, not much beats the 90 CRI light of incandescent.
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Re: States fight Trump rollback of Obama lightbulb rules « Reply #34 on: June 10, 2019, 06:24:24 AM » Author: GE101R
This might sound a bit off topic but..........

The main disadvantages of solar, wind, and hydroelectric power often sometimes "quit working". Sure it will never run out, but will often sometimes stop working. For solar, if its a cloudy day or a stormy day it will work a bit, but not a whole lot IF theres strong sunshine in place. Also another disadvantage is that the solar cells will be worned by the UV rays of the sunlight (unless if its a high performance solar panel). For wind power, the disadvantages is when theres no wind, and it won't move the turbine. However, hydroelectric power is a possibility, because of the "moving" water trough the generators, thus creating electricity...

Sorry if this got off topic......

Are you on old TP&L, Texas Electric Service, or DP&L lines?
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Re: States fight Trump rollback of Obama lightbulb rules « Reply #35 on: June 10, 2019, 06:40:48 AM » Author: lightinglover8902
Are you on old TP&L, Texas Electric Service, or DP&L lines?

How should I know??
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Re: States fight Trump rollback of Obama lightbulb rules « Reply #36 on: June 10, 2019, 11:17:21 PM » Author: GE101R
How should I know??

Predecessors of CenterPoint Energy. Never mind.
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Re: States fight Trump rollback of Obama lightbulb rules « Reply #37 on: June 20, 2019, 04:20:20 AM » Author: Silverliner
Obama era light bulb rules actually refer to types of bulbs such as reflector, decorative, 3 way etc which was passed on Obama's last day in office. The general service incandescent law was passed by Bush.


I'm interested in finding out what we are likely to expect in 2020.  The article indicates this would be a rollback of "Obama-era standards."  That's important in that the general service lamp standards in effect today are "Bush-era."  Although Congress has relaxed enforcement of the "Bush-era" rules in the past, that action was largely symbolic and did not change the law.  There are still two provisions that are set to take effect on January 1, 2020.  One is the 45 lm/w requirement for all General Service Lamps.  There was some controversy regarding this provision in the past.  Apparently the Department of Energy allowed this 45 lm/w "backstop" requirement to be triggered as a result of their inaction.  My understanding was that there was still some question regarding the enforcement of this backstop requirement alone should the DOE not pass a specific rule in response.  NEMA as well as manufacturers preferred lamp-specific standards to be set rather than an across the board rather than a 45 lm/w for all lamps classified as GSLs.  Another key matter that the article touched on was the expansion of the definition of a GSL, which took place at the end of Obama's second term.  This would extend it to include 3-Way, rough service/vibration resistant, reflector lamps, and certain decorative shapes.  If included, these would also be subject to the 45 lm/w requirement, or whatever standards are enacted.

In short, if all of the pending standards are reverted, we will continue to be subject to the rules in place today in 2020 and beyond.  If all of the pending standards go into effect, the majority of the most common incandescent and halogen lamps still available will go by the wayside, though some specialty lamps such as appliance lamps, heat lamps, colored lamps, very low/high wattage lamps should remain.  It sounds like the matter of the Obama expansion is still unsettled.  At one time there was uncertainly over the backstop as well as the January 1, 2020 date, and I don't know how settled either of those are at this point.
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Re: States fight Trump rollback of Obama lightbulb rules « Reply #38 on: June 20, 2019, 04:21:28 AM » Author: Silverliner
Wasn't Centerpoint Energy once known as Houston Lighting and Power? I think TL&P and other utilities mentioned are now in Oncor Energy's area.

Predecessors of CenterPoint Energy. Never mind.
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