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Is that "DIY" ignitor possible « on: May 24, 2020, 02:36:05 AM » Author: Binarix128
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MPCrbcYVUQ&feature=youtu.be

I didn't got more detail, I don't understand the mensagge in polish.

It is some kind of series or paralel fluorescent starter and capacitor, by some way connected to the ballast and the lamp.


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Re: Is that "DIY" ignitor pissible « Reply #1 on: May 30, 2020, 05:29:01 PM » Author: Ash
He assembled the circuit that's drawn on the Tungsram S410 ignitor. When he touches the wires, he connects the ignitor in parallel to the lamp and the lamp ignites. (It's for the show, the ignitor itself is designed to stay connected allways)

This ignitor uses a glow starter or a spark gap as its switching component (in some of them inside the "statrer" is not the standard glow lamp of FL starters, but a spark gap tube filled with Neon, which is called "Plasma Arrester" and commonly used in surge protection)

The capacitor in the box doesn't do anything, it is shorted. (if the jumper is removed, it would be in series with the ignitor, but the ignitor doesn't need it)
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Re: Is that "DIY" ignitor pissible « Reply #2 on: May 31, 2020, 12:22:13 AM » Author: Binarix128
Interesting... Getting such starter will be not easy.  :P
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Re: Is that "DIY" ignitor pissible « Reply #3 on: May 31, 2020, 05:56:27 PM » Author: Ash
Unless you know what specs it is. Then you can buy it from an electronics wholesaler (like Digikey) and put it yourself into the case of a starter
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Re: Is that "DIY" ignitor pissible « Reply #4 on: June 01, 2020, 06:19:57 PM » Author: Binarix128
Unless you know what specs it is. Then you can buy it from an electronics wholesaler (like Digikey) and put it yourself into the case of a starter

I sounds expensive, import to Chile from anywhere.  :P
I think just buying proper HID fixtures will be way chaper, until a "masive" instalation required.
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Re: Is that "DIY" ignitor pissible « Reply #5 on: June 02, 2020, 06:11:07 PM » Author: Ash
The typical structure for SON ignitor (slow pulsing ignitor) is with a diode, charging capacitor, and switching component that reacts to voltages that are higher than the lamp arc voltage

Most ignitors use a SIDAC or a thyristor with some firing circuit. Some "smart" ignitors use other circuitry, possibly even measuring the voltage with an ADC. In ignitors based on a spark gap, the switching component is the spark gap - With the spark gap itself being in the "starter" and the other components in the ignitor "base"

You can find a Neon spark gap in some surge protectors, however the ones used there are for too high voltage and unsuitable for ignitor use (except if you have a step up transformer), or in gas ignitors of the type that goes "click click click ...". The latter actually are a complete ignitor on their own, just not suitable for superimposed work with constant power supply after ignition
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