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They can't ban ALL incandescent and florescent « on: October 10, 2021, 09:32:07 PM » Author: F96T12 DD VHO
I'm saying this because what about the people who own pets that require heating and UVB

Yes, I know there are ceramic heaters, and "LED UVB" bulbs but I feel like they don't do the justice of an incandescent or UVB Flouro. I have a leopard gecko

Sure they may get completely banned from commercial/home usage (except those lights used in ovens and microwaves)

Feel free to discuss, or if this has been talked about already I can take this topic down
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Re: They can't ban ALL incandescent and florescent « Reply #1 on: October 10, 2021, 10:08:57 PM » Author: wide-lite 1000
They can ban anything they want. The question is , WILL THEY ? I've already seen LEDs in microwaves , refrigerators and dryers among others . All they'd have to do to put LED lighting in an oven is to use some fiber optics with the LED light source located away from the heat of the oven chamber .

 I do know that in some jurisdictions , LEDs are required by code in order to meet efficiency standards . My brother works for an electrical engineering firm that WILL NOT spec any lighting other than LED . 
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Re: They can't ban ALL incandescent and florescent « Reply #2 on: October 10, 2021, 10:50:30 PM » Author: joseph_125
They can ban anything they want. The question is , WILL THEY ?

That's what I've been figuring too. I think LED has already captured enough of the lighting market, particularly new installations that banning the manufacturer and sale of conventional light sources dosen't seem to be worth the effort of banning them specifically like how they banned general service incandescent lamps or mercury vapour ballasts. Eventually what will probably happen is that the demand for conventional light sources will dwindle to the point where the manufacturers will deem it no longer economical to continue production and one by one the manufacturers will begin to discontinue conventional light sources, starting with the niche items initially and ending off with the more popular items. You can see this when Philips discontinued the production of SOX lamps in late 2019 after they had deemed it no longer economically viable to continue production a couple of years prior.     
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Re: They can't ban ALL incandescent and florescent « Reply #3 on: October 11, 2021, 12:12:20 AM » Author: waterbug
One of the UVB type of light for pet reptiles especially bearded dragon is the 80w self ballasted mercury vapor
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Re: They can't ban ALL incandescent and florescent « Reply #4 on: October 11, 2021, 01:20:56 AM » Author: Medved
The bans so far apply for general illumination light sources. Pet heater and UV lamps are NOT general illumination light sources, so those energy efficiency regulations do not apply for them. But other, like ROHS may still affect them, but up to now the regulations restricted only those product, where for its main use was a replacement available...

The choice to go for LEDs in things like ovens is not because any regulation mandates it, but because it is cheaper for the manufacturers - they do not have to complicate their designs by a requirement for the lamp to be user replaceable. Don't get fooled by the marketing trying to sell LEDs there at premium, the reality is using LEDs is a cost cutting measure.
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Re: They can't ban ALL incandescent and florescent « Reply #5 on: October 11, 2021, 03:48:32 AM » Author: WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA
Back in 2014, there was an aviary in Canada that was concerned about their bird incubators when 100w A19 incandescent lamps were banned in Canada:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/incandescent-bulb-ban-leaves-bird-care-centre-with-dim-hope-1.2492890
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Re: They can't ban ALL incandescent and florescent « Reply #6 on: October 11, 2021, 04:35:38 AM » Author: Medved
Back in 2014, there was an aviary in Canada that was concerned about their bird incubators when 100w A19 incandescent lamps were banned in Canada:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/incandescent-bulb-ban-leaves-bird-care-centre-with-dim-hope-1.2492890

The problem indeed is, there are other uses than the target use, like here where they technically need heat bulbs, but installed light bulbs because at the time they seemed cheaper. If the incandescents would be marketed as "heat bulbs" for such use only, technically it should have no problem with the regulations. But definitely they will become more expensive than they used to be.
Some makers started making them in Europe, thy even were better optimized for the heater use (lowering the filament operating temperature to get longer life, as the IR output efficiency is not influenced by that), so I guess similar products will appear on the 120V market too.
Here the problem with the bird care center was, any of those real solutions need some time, but they would run of bulbs during that time.
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Re: They can't ban ALL incandescent and florescent « Reply #7 on: October 11, 2021, 02:45:56 PM » Author: sox35
That's what I've been figuring too. I think LED has already captured enough of the lighting market, particularly new installations that banning the manufacturer and sale of conventional light sources dosen't seem to be worth the effort of banning them specifically like how they banned general service incandescent lamps or mercury vapour ballasts. Eventually what will probably happen is that the demand for conventional light sources will dwindle to the point where the manufacturers will deem it no longer economical to continue production and one by one the manufacturers will begin to discontinue conventional light sources, starting with the niche items initially and ending off with the more popular items. You can see this when Philips discontinued the production of SOX lamps in late 2019 after they had deemed it no longer economically viable to continue production a couple of years prior.   
We hope that when the day comes we can't get anything else and what we've got in our stock of lampses has been used up we have shuffled off this mortal coil.  :curse: :'(
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Re: They can't ban ALL incandescent and florescent « Reply #8 on: October 12, 2021, 07:20:38 PM » Author: sox35
Too right, I don't want to live in a world where I can't enjoy the lamps I love  :'(
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