Re: US Takes New Stab at Incandescent Bulb Ban. « Reply #15 on: June 02, 2023, 08:24:16 AM » Author: Mandolin Girl
@ Joseph, you do know what the definition of 'expert' is, don't you.?  'X' is an unknown factor, and 'spurt' is a drip under pressure...
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	Re: US Takes New Stab at Incandescent Bulb Ban. « Reply #16 on: June 02, 2023, 10:18:04 AM » Author: Rommie
Groan... Have I got to start issuing again..?
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	Re: US Takes New Stab at Incandescent Bulb Ban. « Reply #17 on: June 02, 2023, 01:12:35 PM » Author: AngryHorse
It’s odd how they focus on lighting?, surely the biggest energy consumer in the US is air conditioning?, especially at this time of year?
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	Re: US Takes New Stab at Incandescent Bulb Ban. « Reply #18 on: June 02, 2023, 01:51:41 PM » Author: Mandolin Girl
I hadn't thought of that, as this side of the pond we don't have it as general rule.  I've had a shufti at t'interweb and found this guide.!  Way more than any lighting uses, and it's going to be running 24/7 in some cases.
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	Re: US Takes New Stab at Incandescent Bulb Ban. « Reply #19 on: June 02, 2023, 03:53:01 PM » Author: HomeBrewLamps
This is very frustrating. I have another to say but I'm gonna just leave it at that.
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	Re: US Takes New Stab at Incandescent Bulb Ban. « Reply #20 on: June 02, 2023, 04:28:15 PM » Author: arcblue
I don't know the answer to what will happen to unsold stock, and I suspect retailers won't want to tell the public, as the goal is to sell as much of it as possible for as much money as possible before the deadline. My guess would be that any remaining stock is "supposed" to be destroyed and then written off (maybe there's a tax benefit in doing so), or, the retailer/wholesaler may sell them to some independent party/parties under the table to get some money, then those individuals will sell the banned lamps on online marketplaces where it's harder to track and prosecute. Or, maybe the banned lamps will be exported to other, perhaps third world countries for "recycling" (use and resale). All speculation, of course.... I can't imagine any new technology will replace LED in the foreseeable future. Perhaps organic LEDS (OLEDs) will be the natural evolution in the lighting industry. At the least, lumen per watt efficiency will increase. But the main trend seems to be to reduce production cost and increase profit, and integrated LED fixtures are utterly perfect since when one fixture dies early, if an identical replacement fixture is no longer sold, you have to replace every fixture in a room for them to all match again. Maximum profit and customers will keep returning! I suspect the incandescent ban paves the way to also ban fixtures that have sockets, encouraging more cheap fixtures with non-replaceable and low-quality components and forcing people who are afraid to touch wiring to hire electricians to replace their failed light fixtures.
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	Re: US Takes New Stab at Incandescent Bulb Ban. « Reply #21 on: June 02, 2023, 04:31:15 PM » Author: WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA
I still see a number of fixtures with E26 sockets still being sold but mostly with decorative edison style lamps.
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	Re: US Takes New Stab at Incandescent Bulb Ban. « Reply #23 on: June 03, 2023, 02:27:47 AM » Author: AngryHorse
Quote from: Mandolin Girl on June 02, 2023, 01:51:41 PM I hadn't thought of that, as this side of the pond we don't have it as general rule.  I've had a shufti at t'interweb and found this guide.!  Way more than any lighting uses, and it's going to be running 24/7 in some cases. We’ve got the opposite problem here, tumble dryer’s and electric showers are the biggest consumers, especially with the UK where tumble dryer’s are a necessity with the weather! Electric showers are (minimum), 8000 watt!, so you can choose on that or excessive amounts of gas heating water to run a bath! Then we come to the elephant in the room!………..EVs!, who on average draw 15 amps off your supply!, imagine EVERY petrol/diesel car in the UK being replaced tomorrow with EVs, and hundreds of thousands of people coming home from work and plugging the equivalent of an immersion heater in overnight to charge? How many wind turbines will we need for that again………..?
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	Re: US Takes New Stab at Incandescent Bulb Ban. « Reply #24 on: June 03, 2023, 06:36:47 AM » Author: Mandolin Girl
We rarely use our tumble dryer, our drying rack can be stood in the bath to get it out of the way, and as for our shower it has two power setting 4 kW or the full 8kW, we have it set on 4.
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	Re: US Takes New Stab at Incandescent Bulb Ban. « Reply #25 on: July 30, 2023, 04:33:01 PM » Author: WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA
Since stock is required to be sold out by tomorrow, will the secondhand sale of incandescent lamps still be allowed like on eBay?
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	Re: US Takes New Stab at Incandescent Bulb Ban. « Reply #26 on: July 31, 2023, 02:53:20 AM » Author: Medved
Quote from: AngryHorse on June 02, 2023, 01:12:35 PM It’s odd how they focus on lighting?, surely the biggest energy consumer in the US is air conditioning?, especially at this time of year? Well any power dissipated within the air conditioned space adds extra load to the air conditioning. So any power losses of any device then practically double: A 100W incandescent does not consume 90W more than a 10W LED, but about 180W more. The The "first" 90W is the extra power the lamp consumes directly, the other 90W comes from the airco which has to extract the first 90W of heat from the space. And with modern housing construction, the majority of the heat the airco has to handle comes from the people there (that you can not reduce that much) and from the appliances. So the main way to reduce the air conditionning consumption is to reduce the heat generated in that space. And the artificial lighting is one of the major contributor. By the way this is the reason why using "daylight harvesting" in an attempt to reduce the energy consumption is not that straight forward as it seems, because the daylight uses to be accompanied by quite a lot of IR, which brings heat into the room, so the air conditioning then can easily consume way more than you "save". You need really very well engineered system to avoid falling into that pitfall...
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	Re: US Takes New Stab at Incandescent Bulb Ban. « Reply #27 on: August 01, 2023, 04:52:01 AM » Author: WorldwideHIDCollectorUSA
Is it true that the remaining number of banned American incandescent lamps in existence will dwindle to a very small amount that they will become near unobtainium in the coming days?
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	Re: US Takes New Stab at Incandescent Bulb Ban. « Reply #29 on: August 01, 2023, 09:58:26 AM » Author: Maxim
Wanted to run by my local Home Depot and Lowe’s yesterday, but that never wound up happening. It’s not even about the lamps themselves; I don’t really like the lower quality Chinese products. It’s more or less for the simple purpose of commemorating the lightbulb for all it has done for us. I guess as a parting goodbye to the technologies of our past. RIP, old friend. You will be missed. Edison must be rolling in his grave.
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