21   General / General Discussion / Re: More SRS Ballasting Questions  on: November 24, 2025, 01:34:54 PM 
Started by Multisubject - Last post by Multisubject
@Ash
Thanks so much! I am certainly not in a rush.
 22   General / General Discussion / Re: More SRS Ballasting Questions  on: November 24, 2025, 01:31:50 PM 
Started by Multisubject - Last post by Ash
I have a few Eltam SR40 on hand and could make some measurements if you would like, though you will have to wait until i have a window of free time
 23   General / General Discussion / Re: More SRS Ballasting Questions  on: November 24, 2025, 09:19:20 AM 
Started by Multisubject - Last post by Multisubject
@Medved

So you have a transformer with two identical windings (X-Y and Y-Z) connected in series so that their total measured inductance is effectively zero across X-Z. When you apply current across X-Z, the center node Y will gain voltage relative to the points X and Z (assuming X and Z are at equal voltage)? That sort of makes sense, but anything after that I am lost.
 24   General / General Discussion / Re: More SRS Ballasting Questions  on: November 24, 2025, 03:18:54 AM 
Started by Multisubject - Last post by LightBulbFun
Thanks for sharing that @LightBulbFun!

So a series resonant circuit can have higher voltages across the inductor and the capacitor, but when because they are phased differently they add up to the voltage put across them. That makes plenty of sense. But there isn't just a capacitor across the tube or just an inductor, there are both in series, so shouldn't it add up to the supply voltage and no higher? How does it make higher voltage across the tube?

I know it works, and I know higher voltages are produced, I just don't get how. No resource that I have read has explained that.

if I am reading the book right it mentions that effectively the voltage of the capacitor gets added onto the voltage of the secondary winding

When the lamp has no discharge, the capacitor current flows via one winding one direction and via the other the opposite direction. So their magnetic fields cancel out, except a small magnetic leakage between the windings.
So at the end it is only the small inductance, related to that leakage, which can boost the voltage at least a bit. The thing operates way below the resonance of the capacitor and the leakage inductance (which is the only inductance effectively in series with the cap), so the voltage boost barely makes for the resistive drop on the winding wire resistance. So it is not wrong to say the capacitor has just the mains voltage on it. And that includes also the state when the lamp has ignited, the coupled windings are enforcing that.

But for T12 tubes no voltage boost is actually needed, these ignite on the bare 220V (and above) mains, so the only thing needed is to heat up the cathodes. And the capacitor current does just that, until the lamp ignites.
Interesting thing happens after the lamp ignites: The capacitor has still the mains voltage on it (plus minus some small vlotage boost on leakage inductance and resistive drop), similar voltage being on the mains side. That means to quite a big extend the total lamp current splits to these two components, so big part being pushed from both ends of the filament to the arc itself, so quite reducing the resistive heating the lamp filaments experience. It does not cancel out completely, the 90deg phase shift and the different current in each branch won't allow that, but still the current on each of the filament end is less than the total arc current.
Compare to the preheat or even the very common current mode preheat HF output (mean electronic ballasts) circuit, where all the current flows from just one filament side.

there is certainly some above-mains-voltage produced by an SRS ballast on a couple 4ft 40W examples I have tested their OCV is about 280V on a Parmar 5ft-8ft 65W-85W one I tested it was about 315V



 25   General / General Discussion / Re: More SRS Ballasting Questions  on: November 24, 2025, 02:56:25 AM 
Started by Multisubject - Last post by Medved
When the lamp has no discharge, the capacitor current flows via one winding one direction and via the other the opposite direction. So their magnetic fields cancel out, except a small magnetic leakage between the windings.
So at the end it is only the small inductance, related to that leakage, which can boost the voltage at least a bit. The thing operates way below the resonance of the capacitor and the leakage inductance (which is the only inductance effectively in series with the cap), so the voltage boost barely makes for the resistive drop on the winding wire resistance. So it is not wrong to say the capacitor has just the mains voltage on it. And that includes also the state when the lamp has ignited, the coupled windings are enforcing that.

But for T12 tubes no voltage boost is actually needed, these ignite on the bare 220V (and above) mains, so the only thing needed is to heat up the cathodes. And the capacitor current does just that, until the lamp ignites.
Interesting thing happens after the lamp ignites: The capacitor has still the mains voltage on it (plus minus some small vlotage boost on leakage inductance and resistive drop), similar voltage being on the mains side. That means to quite a big extend the total lamp current splits to these two components, so big part being pushed from both ends of the filament to the arc itself, so quite reducing the resistive heating the lamp filaments experience. It does not cancel out completely, the 90deg phase shift and the different current in each branch won't allow that, but still the current on each of the filament end is less than the total arc current.
Compare to the preheat or even the very common current mode preheat HF output (mean electronic ballasts) circuit, where all the current flows from just one filament side.
 26   Lanterns/Fixtures / Modern / Re: AIP Norelco/Philips SRP on double guy Vista, Ca  on: November 24, 2025, 02:54:28 AM 
Started by Baked bagel 11 - Last post by LightsoftheWest
I've known about this one for a bit. Haven't been by there to look at it though, as I'm almost never in Vista when I'm down there. There's still two more by the railroad crossing on Main St.
 27   Lanterns/Fixtures / Modern / Re: AIP Norelco/Philips SRP on double guy Vista, Ca  on: November 24, 2025, 12:36:47 AM 
Started by Baked bagel 11 - Last post by Baked bagel 11
Yeah, going back on streetview it there was an identical one over the roadway, this one may have lit an old road?
 28   Lanterns/Fixtures / Modern / Re: AIP Norelco/Philips SRP on double guy Vista, Ca  on: November 24, 2025, 12:29:55 AM 
Started by Baked bagel 11 - Last post by fluorescent lover 40
Was probably installed by the city at some point but they thought it was the railroad's and left it alone as it appears the area it it used to light up might have been a road at some point and it would've lit up a railroad crossing.
 30   General / General Discussion / Re: More SRS Ballasting Questions  on: November 23, 2025, 08:19:06 PM 
Started by Multisubject - Last post by Multisubject
Thanks for sharing that @LightBulbFun!

So a series resonant circuit can have higher voltages across the inductor and the capacitor, but when because they are phased differently they add up to the voltage put across them. That makes plenty of sense. But there isn't just a capacitor across the tube or just an inductor, there are both in series, so shouldn't it add up to the supply voltage and no higher? How does it make higher voltage across the tube?

I know it works, and I know higher voltages are produced, I just don't get how. No resource that I have read has explained that.
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